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> but it lasts 5-10 times longer I find it such a weird argument. Ok, your furniture from 1900 is still doing great, fantastic. The problems are: 1. Your grea

> but it lasts 5-10 times longer I find it such a weird argument. Ok, your furniture from 1900 is still doing great, fantastic. The problems are: 1. Your great-grandfather had a different sense of esthetics, so shit just didn't fit your modern apartment. 2. You moved to a different country, and shipping fees of the furniture were ten times the cost of brand-new chipwood furniture (literally). 3. The furniture was designed with usage in mind that simply doesn't exist in modern world. 4. It was made specifically to fill a certain room. Your new place has a different layout. Deal with it. These arguments are even more true in the context of technology. "Look, my grandma's black-and-white TV is still working!"... great? I'd rather have a modern 4k OLED, but I guess that's just personal preference. Not to mention how having expensive things makes you a prisoner of these things. If your cat ruins Ikea cabinet, you'll be angry for a day. If your cat ruins your family heirloom, you'll be pissed.

alexey-salmin 1y ago
We're not talking of centuries here. Laminated chipwood looks like shit in a matter of years. I can replace my phone every year but for a kitchen table or a bathroom door it's ridiculous, way too much hassle.
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  I disagree. Sure, it wears down faster, but it still can last you just enough.
rienbdj 1y ago
The best interiors feel lived in but not stuffy. A few old pieces of furniture can help achieve that. Part of the skill of interior design is making these pieces work together in new ways. You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!?
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  > You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!? I do. Now what.
  - 1propionyl 1y ago
    You go to IKEA!
- KeplerBoy 1y ago
  > You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!? Who wouldn't? The people that arranged the furniture in those renders have a much better idea of interior design than I do.
  - anthk 1y ago
    Design it's just a shitty word that means "I'm too poor to afford good materials".
  - enneff 1y ago
    It’s your home. Nobody knows how it should be better than you.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      There's at least one YouTuber that makes a decent living off of taking people's home design and improving it, so that's not universal.
    - KeplerBoy 1y ago
      If it were up to me I'd be stuck at the local optimum of standing desks with workstations randomly distributed through the apartment and a mattress in some corner. Thankfully my wife also has a vote on things.
- jajko 1y ago
  Not sure why the fixation with Ikea, they provide decent value at given price point (as in better than competition, but still within their cost band). Anyway one prime example I can see - we have rather bigger kitchen, and storage is its prime function. Anything below waist needs to have pullout drawers, its supremely more practical and simply more efficient for storage. You don't need to go on your knees every time you need something deeper in bottom one. For older folks this is an absolute must. Good luck finding any older kitchen that has that. Same for any drawers ie for clothing. And there are much better modern tricks than just this very basic one.
  - JKCalhoun 1y ago
    > provide decent value at given price point That is the reason for the fixation on IKEA: the "decent" part. If their peers are Target, Walmart, then to be sure IKEA are decent. Even during assembly though I've had joints fail such that the finished piece of furniture is, say, 90% structurally sound. But then trying to disassemble the piece so I can move ... I'm lucky if I am able to disassemble it without additional component failure. And then the re-assembly after the move also takes its toll. Sadly I've come to see IKEA furniture as disposable (I sure don't see it in the local Goodwill). And that is the problem with IKEA (and Target, and Walmart) furniture: it goes direct-to-landfill with a move.
    - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
      one thing to realize with Ikea is that they have different tiers of items. their hardboard furniture is somewhat disposable (and not disassemblable). their metal and plastic items, otoh are pretty indistructable.
    - 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
      Disassembly is the mistake. If you need to move Ikea furniture, you do it as constructed. If it breaks, c’est la vie. I have successfully moved several Ikea pieces without issue.
- blitzar 1y ago
  > best interiors feel lived in but not stuffy. A few old pieces of furniture can help achieve that I have a few old Ikea pieces for that.
Flamentono2 1y ago
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aziaziazi 1y ago
Hum, that's fair points but don't contradicts OP's arguments: 1. OP finds it "much more pleasant to use" which I believe includes the aesthetic side. "your modern appartement" is your take, but is it? and how old modern? There's an universe of different styles that have been implemented in the past, in a multi dimensional sense: it may be influenced by the state of the art of that time (available tools, wood...), the vogue (not necessarily correlated with state of the art) and the context (unique fancy piece for someone wealthy that paid for, unique simple piece for your family, small series by a semi industrial workshop). 2. True, however your old chipwood furniture may not be newish enough for the next householder so A. he/you needs to ditch it B. buy a new one. With a quality furniture you often can re-sell it at almost the same price you bought it, there's no devaluation but only a seller commission if you don't want to bother. 3. I have in front of me a drawer that was build by the gran-gran-gran-pa (yes!) of my wife and... drawers are drawers. Same for stools, bed or tables. I understand your point as there's usages that are lost like furniture-like-clock but some others weird stuff still come back every time because they actually are clever [0] 4. I'm not sure what you're talking about: integrated kitchen (and so) are made to fill a certain room, not the wooden furniture I'm familiar with that you can literally place where you want. New place and not enough space ? Sell it (the the new owner or someone else) and buy another one that fits better. You hardly sell a cheapwood furniture. Moreover, moving to new places have other drawbacks to deal with that you take into account when making the decision. I'm not arguing you sloudn't move, but it's a process that isn't always trivial. For exemple many US residents won't be able to bring their tank-car aboard for legal and/or practical reasons. Or their digged swimming pool. Or whatever if they move to inner Tokyo. TV => The image quality is wined by the news devices image, however ss you mention "expensive things" I'd like to point out a B&W tv is probably way cheaper and robust that and the 4K OLED one. But there's room for choices in-between, and I a agree the argumentation works better with furniture than electronics. CAT scratch => That's the beauty of the made-to-last furniture: Wood ? sand it, a bit of varnish and you're done. Fabric ? tear off the piece and nail a new one. They're not museum pieces but day-to-day home helpers. [0] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confident_(siège) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confident_(siège)
- pjc50 1y ago
  > I'd like to point out a B&W tv is probably way cheaper and robust that and the 4K OLED one Where would you even find such a thing other than as a curated, carefully expensively maintained antique? Sure you can buy them second hand on Ebay, but the shipping costs of CRT TVs are pretty big. Everyone has a "flatscreen" TV because that's the default cheapest solution. Shipping and handling costs are a big factor in the death of large, heavy traditional items.
hluska 1y ago
People have different tastes. There’s nothing weird about that at all.
theodric 1y ago
Not a universal view. I don't have a modern apartment (I've lived in them and don't enjoy the æsthetic of a straight, unornamented beige and glass box full of postmodern slab furniture). I have a stone cottage from the 1600s. If anything, my 19th-century solid wood furniture is too modern!
- akdor1154 1y ago
  > I have a stone cottage from the 1600s. Is that a thing wealthy people buy but ordinary people know nothing about?
  - enneff 1y ago
    It’s something Europeans buy. :)
  - ricardobayes 1y ago
    In the UK. I know a couple who bought a really old house then spend 3 million on renovating it "period correct", even down to the paint to use plant-based materials only as that was how it was done in the 17th century.

alexey-salmin 1y ago

We're not talking of centuries here. Laminated chipwood looks like shit in a matter of years. I can replace my phone every year but for a kitchen table or a bathroom door it's ridiculous, way too much hassle.

anal_reactor 1y ago
I disagree. Sure, it wears down faster, but it still can last you just enough.

rienbdj 1y ago

The best interiors feel lived in but not stuffy. A few old pieces of furniture can help achieve that. Part of the skill of interior design is making these pieces work together in new ways. You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!?

anal_reactor 1y ago
> You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!? I do. Now what.
- 1propionyl 1y ago
  You go to IKEA!
KeplerBoy 1y ago
> You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!? Who wouldn't? The people that arranged the furniture in those renders have a much better idea of interior design than I do.
- anthk 1y ago
  Design it's just a shitty word that means "I'm too poor to afford good materials".
- enneff 1y ago
  It’s your home. Nobody knows how it should be better than you.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    There's at least one YouTuber that makes a decent living off of taking people's home design and improving it, so that's not universal.
  - KeplerBoy 1y ago
    If it were up to me I'd be stuck at the local optimum of standing desks with workstations randomly distributed through the apartment and a mattress in some corner. Thankfully my wife also has a vote on things.
jajko 1y ago
Not sure why the fixation with Ikea, they provide decent value at given price point (as in better than competition, but still within their cost band). Anyway one prime example I can see - we have rather bigger kitchen, and storage is its prime function. Anything below waist needs to have pullout drawers, its supremely more practical and simply more efficient for storage. You don't need to go on your knees every time you need something deeper in bottom one. For older folks this is an absolute must. Good luck finding any older kitchen that has that. Same for any drawers ie for clothing. And there are much better modern tricks than just this very basic one.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  > provide decent value at given price point That is the reason for the fixation on IKEA: the "decent" part. If their peers are Target, Walmart, then to be sure IKEA are decent. Even during assembly though I've had joints fail such that the finished piece of furniture is, say, 90% structurally sound. But then trying to disassemble the piece so I can move ... I'm lucky if I am able to disassemble it without additional component failure. And then the re-assembly after the move also takes its toll. Sadly I've come to see IKEA furniture as disposable (I sure don't see it in the local Goodwill). And that is the problem with IKEA (and Target, and Walmart) furniture: it goes direct-to-landfill with a move.
  - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
    one thing to realize with Ikea is that they have different tiers of items. their hardboard furniture is somewhat disposable (and not disassemblable). their metal and plastic items, otoh are pretty indistructable.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago
    Disassembly is the mistake. If you need to move Ikea furniture, you do it as constructed. If it breaks, c’est la vie. I have successfully moved several Ikea pieces without issue.
blitzar 1y ago
> best interiors feel lived in but not stuffy. A few old pieces of furniture can help achieve that I have a few old Ikea pieces for that.

Flamentono2 1y ago

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aziaziazi 1y ago

Hum, that's fair points but don't contradicts OP's arguments: 1. OP finds it "much more pleasant to use" which I believe includes the aesthetic side. "your modern appartement" is your take, but is it? and how old modern? There's an universe of different styles that have been implemented in the past, in a multi dimensional sense: it may be influenced by the state of the art of that time (available tools, wood...), the vogue (not necessarily correlated with state of the art) and the context (unique fancy piece for someone wealthy that paid for, unique simple piece for your family, small series by a semi industrial workshop). 2. True, however your old chipwood furniture may not be newish enough for the next householder so A. he/you needs to ditch it B. buy a new one. With a quality furniture you often can re-sell it at almost the same price you bought it, there's no devaluation but only a seller commission if you don't want to bother. 3. I have in front of me a drawer that was build by the gran-gran-gran-pa (yes!) of my wife and... drawers are drawers. Same for stools, bed or tables. I understand your point as there's usages that are lost like furniture-like-clock but some others weird stuff still come back every time because they actually are clever [0] 4. I'm not sure what you're talking about: integrated kitchen (and so) are made to fill a certain room, not the wooden furniture I'm familiar with that you can literally place where you want. New place and not enough space ? Sell it (the the new owner or someone else) and buy another one that fits better. You hardly sell a cheapwood furniture. Moreover, moving to new places have other drawbacks to deal with that you take into account when making the decision. I'm not arguing you sloudn't move, but it's a process that isn't always trivial. For exemple many US residents won't be able to bring their tank-car aboard for legal and/or practical reasons. Or their digged swimming pool. Or whatever if they move to inner Tokyo. TV => The image quality is wined by the news devices image, however ss you mention "expensive things" I'd like to point out a B&W tv is probably way cheaper and robust that and the 4K OLED one. But there's room for choices in-between, and I a agree the argumentation works better with furniture than electronics. CAT scratch => That's the beauty of the made-to-last furniture: Wood ? sand it, a bit of varnish and you're done. Fabric ? tear off the piece and nail a new one. They're not museum pieces but day-to-day home helpers. [0] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confident_(siège) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confident_(siège)

pjc50 1y ago
> I'd like to point out a B&W tv is probably way cheaper and robust that and the 4K OLED one Where would you even find such a thing other than as a curated, carefully expensively maintained antique? Sure you can buy them second hand on Ebay, but the shipping costs of CRT TVs are pretty big. Everyone has a "flatscreen" TV because that's the default cheapest solution. Shipping and handling costs are a big factor in the death of large, heavy traditional items.

hluska 1y ago

People have different tastes. There’s nothing weird about that at all.

theodric 1y ago

Not a universal view. I don't have a modern apartment (I've lived in them and don't enjoy the æsthetic of a straight, unornamented beige and glass box full of postmodern slab furniture). I have a stone cottage from the 1600s. If anything, my 19th-century solid wood furniture is too modern!

akdor1154 1y ago
> I have a stone cottage from the 1600s. Is that a thing wealthy people buy but ordinary people know nothing about?
- enneff 1y ago
  It’s something Europeans buy. :)
- ricardobayes 1y ago
  In the UK. I know a couple who bought a really old house then spend 3 million on renovating it "period correct", even down to the paint to use plant-based materials only as that was how it was done in the 17th century.