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I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and t

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

marcodiego 1y ago
I tried KDE 1.0 two decades ago. Although it looked like a copy of windows ideas in some points, it already seemed better even at the time.
- LeFantome 1y ago
  It was better up until about version 3. Then KDE got worse and Windows got better. I think KDE is back in top again.
  - Narishma 1y ago
    KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
      In fact, it was so unpopular that it inspired a fork of KDE 3: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ (IMHO, later versions of KDE got good, but even today I understand the appeal of just sticking to the same thing)
      - darkwater 1y ago
        And it still exists, by looking at the NEWS section! That's a long grudge to hold :)
        yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
        I don't know that it's a grudge per se; people liked KDE 3, so they forked it and stayed on the working thing that they liked. Don't fix what isn't broken.
        wkat4242 1y ago
        Yeah it's kinda the same thing that happened to gnome 2 though it wasn't really a fork but rather a respawn in the form of cinnamon.
        LambdaComplex 1y ago
        I think you're thinking of MATE. Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3.
        darkwater 1y ago
        I was going to reply that current MATE is more "modern" that late Gnome 2 compared to "Trinity vs KDE3", but then I went to compare screenshots and I wasn't right. But in both cases I'm amused that people can get so attached to a UI paradigm that they rather fork it and spend time and effort keeping it alive. It doesn't really click with me, but I admire the effort.
    - alexey-salmin 1y ago
      Never understood that part really. I was using KDE 4 since 3.97rc2 (which wasn't easy to install and still had some glitches) and absolutely loved it.
      - bornfreddy 1y ago
        Really? Interesting. I loved KDE3, but hated KDE4 so much (slow, unintuitive UI, bugs) that I haven't looked at it since, preferring Xfce instead. I guess I could give it a spin again...
      - guappa 1y ago
        It had a lot less features than kde3, all the semantic desktop stuff didn't work and kdepim didn't work either But they did run at 100% cpu very often.
      - ppseafield 1y ago
        I wanted to use KDE 4 when it released, but it kept crashing on my machine. I would update it every once in a while and try again but issue would always pop up. By the time "plasma 4.4 is stable" was declared, I had lost interest and started using tiling window managers . That said KDE 6 is pretty solid. I rarely have issues with it.
      - babypuncher 1y ago
        I remember it being very slow and buggy, and missing a lot of features I liked in 3.5. Dolphin also felt like a big downgrade from Konqueror. I didn't start liking KDE again until Plasma 5.
- dagw 1y ago
  KDE 1 was clearly a 'copy' of CDE, hence the name. KDE 2 was much more windows like.
- rascul 1y ago
  Kde 3 was released over two decades ago in 2002.
cwbriscoe 1y ago
I have been playing with Cachy and Plasma in a VM and I am probably going to install that on my next PC build that I am planning. I am currently dual booting Ubuntu and Windows. I haven't logged into windows in over 6 months so I probably won't even setup dual boot with my next machine.
- wormius 1y ago
  Using Cachy after testing some distros. I tried Nobara but it was too limited. Before this I've used Debian based distros (ubuntu, debian), Redhat/RPM (Redhat, Mandrake, OpenSuSe) and even Gentoo. So far I really like Cachy. It's been great for the bit of gaming I do. I had a bit of audio grief, but installing a different kernel seemed to have fixed the issue. Overall I'm pretty damn happy with it. It was much easier than default Arch. I tried Endeavour and though it was nice, there was something about it I didn't quite like (I don't recall what). I'm off Windows entirely - between shoving their AI stuff and Ads everywhere, after decades of off and on use, Linux is my forever home. And yeah, KDE is pretty nice and solid now.
  - cwbriscoe 1y ago
    I also really like the BTRFS file system which I didn't know about until installing Cachy. I like the idea of being able to go to a snapshot before I messed something up or a system update did. I figure if I ever need anything Windows related, I will just load windows in a VM. Gaming wise, mostly the only games you can't play on Linux are Windows games with root kit level anti-cheats. Not sure if that is a downside...
    - seanw444 1y ago
      The (much more complicated) middle ground is to put a second GPU in your PC, boot Linux with that GPU, and then reserve the primary GPU for your gaming virtual machine (and pin CPU cores so cache isn't useless while gaming). End result: more reliable gaming experience in a sandboxed environment. There are some anticheats that will detect you're in a VM and lock you out, but there are ways around that if you're persistent enough. Or just don't play such games, which is my preferred approach. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#With_vfio-pci_loaded_as_a_module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Wi...
bjoli 1y ago
I cane back to plasma after about year of gnome. It made me realize how much I dislike gnome. There are just so many issues. Inhad to solve them with extensions, but then it broke on updates. I couldn't get it to have English as language but ISO units. I had to install an extra app to control startup applications. Fractional scaling and several displays was wonky, made screen recording impossible. My 60fps display has a stuttery mouse pointer. Hiding keyboard layouts like Swedish Sami or svdvorak didn't make things better. Copy and paste not working cross screens (wtf?). Drag and drop not working if you switch windows using alt+tab. Context menus locking focus from the whole desktop: open the nautilus file transfer dialogue and suddenly I couldn't click anywhere else than in nautilus. Having it open and trying to interact with another app just wouldn't work. At the end had accidentally tried KDE in a VM and realized I wouldn't tolerate a hammer behaving badly. I went back to opensuse the same day.
- qalmakka 1y ago
  GNOME has great software, nice UI, horrible UX. It's like as if the designers actively tried to make their software as opinionated and as castrated as they physically could
  - skydhash 1y ago
    GNOME is nice, but only if you only GNOME. Any attempt to alter the linux ecosystem beneath will result in a lot of pain.
- masom 1y ago
  It's really sad what happened with Gnome3. Gnome2 was a good functional desktop, sure it was copying the 2000s with windows 98/2000 style, but it worked. Hell, even OpenStep is more functional than Gnome3 as a daily computer interface. Gnome3 targeted a weird mix of incompatible devices, like a windows 8 interface, and kinda failed as a design given the devices it optimized for never took over the market. There's not that many tablets running Gnome or touchscreen laptops anymore. It's almost like Android took the design team by complete surprise, while they tried to make desktops a tablet experience, but failed at doing both.
blyry 1y ago
Dude I've been running Ubuntu with Plasma for almost 3 years now as a daily, and it's perfect. It's what windows 7 could've been. Maybe I'm stuck in my ways, but as a dotnet and devops guy, 2020s was the perfect confluence of open source, works on Linux tooling to fully switch over. Rider, datagrip and vscode, and I don't have to deal with docker or wsl anymore. It's beautiful. I only boot into windows now when I have to deal with .net framework OG stuff, and I'm pretty sure I could kill a weekend and get a VM to boot from my windows nvme so I never have to leave.

I use Arch and love KDE Plasma. It even has a blue light filter. Am never going back to Windows. KDE runs faster, looks nicer, does not have forced adware and telemetry. Great daily driver.

marcodiego 1y ago

I tried KDE 1.0 two decades ago. Although it looked like a copy of windows ideas in some points, it already seemed better even at the time.

LeFantome 1y ago
It was better up until about version 3. Then KDE got worse and Windows got better. I think KDE is back in top again.
- Narishma 1y ago
  KDE 4 was the bad one, not 3.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
    In fact, it was so unpopular that it inspired a fork of KDE 3: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ (IMHO, later versions of KDE got good, but even today I understand the appeal of just sticking to the same thing)
    - darkwater 1y ago
      And it still exists, by looking at the NEWS section! That's a long grudge to hold :)
      - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
        I don't know that it's a grudge per se; people liked KDE 3, so they forked it and stayed on the working thing that they liked. Don't fix what isn't broken.
        wkat4242 1y ago
        Yeah it's kinda the same thing that happened to gnome 2 though it wasn't really a fork but rather a respawn in the form of cinnamon.
        LambdaComplex 1y ago
        I think you're thinking of MATE. Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3.
        darkwater 1y ago
        I was going to reply that current MATE is more "modern" that late Gnome 2 compared to "Trinity vs KDE3", but then I went to compare screenshots and I wasn't right. But in both cases I'm amused that people can get so attached to a UI paradigm that they rather fork it and spend time and effort keeping it alive. It doesn't really click with me, but I admire the effort.
  - alexey-salmin 1y ago
    Never understood that part really. I was using KDE 4 since 3.97rc2 (which wasn't easy to install and still had some glitches) and absolutely loved it.
    - bornfreddy 1y ago
      Really? Interesting. I loved KDE3, but hated KDE4 so much (slow, unintuitive UI, bugs) that I haven't looked at it since, preferring Xfce instead. I guess I could give it a spin again...
    - guappa 1y ago
      It had a lot less features than kde3, all the semantic desktop stuff didn't work and kdepim didn't work either But they did run at 100% cpu very often.
    - ppseafield 1y ago
      I wanted to use KDE 4 when it released, but it kept crashing on my machine. I would update it every once in a while and try again but issue would always pop up. By the time "plasma 4.4 is stable" was declared, I had lost interest and started using tiling window managers . That said KDE 6 is pretty solid. I rarely have issues with it.
    - babypuncher 1y ago
      I remember it being very slow and buggy, and missing a lot of features I liked in 3.5. Dolphin also felt like a big downgrade from Konqueror. I didn't start liking KDE again until Plasma 5.
dagw 1y ago
KDE 1 was clearly a 'copy' of CDE, hence the name. KDE 2 was much more windows like.
rascul 1y ago
Kde 3 was released over two decades ago in 2002.

cwbriscoe 1y ago

I have been playing with Cachy and Plasma in a VM and I am probably going to install that on my next PC build that I am planning. I am currently dual booting Ubuntu and Windows. I haven't logged into windows in over 6 months so I probably won't even setup dual boot with my next machine.

wormius 1y ago
Using Cachy after testing some distros. I tried Nobara but it was too limited. Before this I've used Debian based distros (ubuntu, debian), Redhat/RPM (Redhat, Mandrake, OpenSuSe) and even Gentoo. So far I really like Cachy. It's been great for the bit of gaming I do. I had a bit of audio grief, but installing a different kernel seemed to have fixed the issue. Overall I'm pretty damn happy with it. It was much easier than default Arch. I tried Endeavour and though it was nice, there was something about it I didn't quite like (I don't recall what). I'm off Windows entirely - between shoving their AI stuff and Ads everywhere, after decades of off and on use, Linux is my forever home. And yeah, KDE is pretty nice and solid now.
- cwbriscoe 1y ago
  I also really like the BTRFS file system which I didn't know about until installing Cachy. I like the idea of being able to go to a snapshot before I messed something up or a system update did. I figure if I ever need anything Windows related, I will just load windows in a VM. Gaming wise, mostly the only games you can't play on Linux are Windows games with root kit level anti-cheats. Not sure if that is a downside...
  - seanw444 1y ago
    The (much more complicated) middle ground is to put a second GPU in your PC, boot Linux with that GPU, and then reserve the primary GPU for your gaming virtual machine (and pin CPU cores so cache isn't useless while gaming). End result: more reliable gaming experience in a sandboxed environment. There are some anticheats that will detect you're in a VM and lock you out, but there are ways around that if you're persistent enough. Or just don't play such games, which is my preferred approach. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#With_vfio-pci_loaded_as_a_module https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Wi...

bjoli 1y ago

I cane back to plasma after about year of gnome. It made me realize how much I dislike gnome. There are just so many issues. Inhad to solve them with extensions, but then it broke on updates. I couldn't get it to have English as language but ISO units. I had to install an extra app to control startup applications. Fractional scaling and several displays was wonky, made screen recording impossible. My 60fps display has a stuttery mouse pointer. Hiding keyboard layouts like Swedish Sami or svdvorak didn't make things better. Copy and paste not working cross screens (wtf?). Drag and drop not working if you switch windows using alt+tab. Context menus locking focus from the whole desktop: open the nautilus file transfer dialogue and suddenly I couldn't click anywhere else than in nautilus. Having it open and trying to interact with another app just wouldn't work. At the end had accidentally tried KDE in a VM and realized I wouldn't tolerate a hammer behaving badly. I went back to opensuse the same day.

qalmakka 1y ago
GNOME has great software, nice UI, horrible UX. It's like as if the designers actively tried to make their software as opinionated and as castrated as they physically could
- skydhash 1y ago
  GNOME is nice, but only if you only GNOME. Any attempt to alter the linux ecosystem beneath will result in a lot of pain.
masom 1y ago
It's really sad what happened with Gnome3. Gnome2 was a good functional desktop, sure it was copying the 2000s with windows 98/2000 style, but it worked. Hell, even OpenStep is more functional than Gnome3 as a daily computer interface. Gnome3 targeted a weird mix of incompatible devices, like a windows 8 interface, and kinda failed as a design given the devices it optimized for never took over the market. There's not that many tablets running Gnome or touchscreen laptops anymore. It's almost like Android took the design team by complete surprise, while they tried to make desktops a tablet experience, but failed at doing both.

blyry 1y ago

Dude I've been running Ubuntu with Plasma for almost 3 years now as a daily, and it's perfect. It's what windows 7 could've been. Maybe I'm stuck in my ways, but as a dotnet and devops guy, 2020s was the perfect confluence of open source, works on Linux tooling to fully switch over. Rider, datagrip and vscode, and I don't have to deal with docker or wsl anymore. It's beautiful. I only boot into windows now when I have to deal with .net framework OG stuff, and I'm pretty sure I could kill a weekend and get a VM to boot from my windows nvme so I never have to leave.