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The entire "86 47" saga is a game of the "woke right." Seeking victimhood status so they can smear their enemies and tie the press up in knots. Meanwhile Trum

The entire "86 47" saga is a game of the "woke right." Seeking victimhood status so they can smear their enemies and tie the press up in knots. Meanwhile Trump and family are in the middle east making deal after deal and no one is really paying any attention or tracking the stakes. This whole thing is an outrageous circus. I'm severely disappointed in all American institutions right now for playing along with it even a little bit.

ctkhn 1y ago
Their hatred isn't of the machine, it's that they're not in charge of it. It's incredibly tiresome from both sides, to be honest, because the machine is what causes a lot of our current problems no matter who's in charge of it.
- pstuart 1y ago
  The "both sides" thing had some merit in the past but that was a different world -- the current admin is a whole new level of self-dealing and disregard for the law except as a weapon to punish its enemies.
  - timewizard 1y ago
    Well we've witness both sides engage in that behavior recently. The only thing different about our world is the level of apologia and backward looking justifications that gets injected into social media about them. Which I normally wouldn't comment on but your post is fairly ironic given the current thread. Which is claiming that the media is entirely absent from it's coverage of Trumps latest schemes in order to argue about what, precisely, a former FBI director meant with a picture of seashells. Perhaps if the dog and pony show died down we could return to the very reasonable perspective that greed does not obey political boundaries.
    - pstuart 1y ago
      Again, the Democratic party is not at all above self-dealing and other elements old-school political chicanery, but to label it as "all the same" borders on disingenuous at best. The OP is about a term that was willfully misinterpreted as a call to violence rather than a call for removal from office (which has been done repeatedly, legally and civilly (2 impeachments!). I abhor partisan politics and am more than happy to critique the side I am forced to align with; but the Trump Show is a daily barrage of WTFs for seasoned political spectators who are not cult members.
  - ctkhn 1y ago
    That's true, but I think an effective and believable D admin more like Bernie than Biden/Hillary/Kamala etc would get voters to actually believe in something. I'm not saying it's right, but the "you have to vote for us because they're evil" thing eventually wears off for the kind of people who are median/undecided voters across the US.
    - pstuart 1y ago
      Democratic Party messaging is a complete failure on their part, and this is compounded by the fact that the GOP has moved from "artful misrepresentation" to outright lies. One thing stands out: nuance has no place in communicating to the masses.

ctkhn 1y ago

Their hatred isn't of the machine, it's that they're not in charge of it. It's incredibly tiresome from both sides, to be honest, because the machine is what causes a lot of our current problems no matter who's in charge of it.

pstuart 1y ago
The "both sides" thing had some merit in the past but that was a different world -- the current admin is a whole new level of self-dealing and disregard for the law except as a weapon to punish its enemies.
- timewizard 1y ago
  Well we've witness both sides engage in that behavior recently. The only thing different about our world is the level of apologia and backward looking justifications that gets injected into social media about them. Which I normally wouldn't comment on but your post is fairly ironic given the current thread. Which is claiming that the media is entirely absent from it's coverage of Trumps latest schemes in order to argue about what, precisely, a former FBI director meant with a picture of seashells. Perhaps if the dog and pony show died down we could return to the very reasonable perspective that greed does not obey political boundaries.
  - pstuart 1y ago
    Again, the Democratic party is not at all above self-dealing and other elements old-school political chicanery, but to label it as "all the same" borders on disingenuous at best. The OP is about a term that was willfully misinterpreted as a call to violence rather than a call for removal from office (which has been done repeatedly, legally and civilly (2 impeachments!). I abhor partisan politics and am more than happy to critique the side I am forced to align with; but the Trump Show is a daily barrage of WTFs for seasoned political spectators who are not cult members.
- ctkhn 1y ago
  That's true, but I think an effective and believable D admin more like Bernie than Biden/Hillary/Kamala etc would get voters to actually believe in something. I'm not saying it's right, but the "you have to vote for us because they're evil" thing eventually wears off for the kind of people who are median/undecided voters across the US.
  - pstuart 1y ago
    Democratic Party messaging is a complete failure on their part, and this is compounded by the fact that the GOP has moved from "artful misrepresentation" to outright lies. One thing stands out: nuance has no place in communicating to the masses.