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Uh, how do I opt out from AI impersonating myself? Is the goal of these products that I stop contributing to the Internet? Also I find quite distasteful that y

by sph 1y ago

Uh, how do I opt out from AI impersonating myself? Is the goal of these products that I stop contributing to the Internet? Also I find quite distasteful that you get free data without explicit approval and try to sell it back to the same audience.

brookst 1y ago
Never do anything publicly that you don’t want to be public.
- nessbot 1y ago
  And don't mistreat peoples public data, and expect them to like or support you.
  - brookst 1y ago
    Unfortunately “mistreat” is highly subjective. No matter what you do someone will be angry at you. I once got yelled at for taking a picture on a public beach where there was some family picnicking maybe 50 meters away. I think I was reasonable, the gentleman most emphatically did not. Control what you can control. If you object to being a small data point in someone else’s documentation of a public experience, don’t put yourself in that situation.
    - nessbot 1y ago
      Don't disagree, just saying it goes both ways. In your case you didn't care (not judging, I probably wouldn't either) about the opinions of the randos at the beach. However, in business, reputation does matter.
- sph 1y ago
  I'm fine with public records of stuff I have posted, I'd not be fine if you were impersonating me, nor I am if it's a piece of software doing that. Can we take the ethics of AI seriously? I feel it's about time.
  - pixl97 1y ago
    >Can we take the ethics of AI seriously? If you're not suggesting a law to do so, then no. 35+ years of using the internet tells me that ethics is not included, nor at this point in the game should be expected.
  - brookst 1y ago
    Agreed, role playing as real people is unacceptable for both AI and other real people. “Tell me what Bernie Sanders might say about…” is fine, so long as the response is in the form “based on his past statements”. “Pretend to be Bernie Sanders and talk about” is not ok to prompt, nor ok for the model to respond to with an impersonation.
  - deadbabe 1y ago
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vercantez 1y ago
Hacker News publishes this dataset freely to the bigquery data marketplace https://console.cloud.google.com/marketplace/product/y-combinator/hacker-news?inv=1&invt=Abxuug&project=hackernews-460118 https://console.cloud.google.com/marketplace/product/y-combi... This product was built to connect to your own database but I thought it was fun to connect to the HN dataset
- sph 1y ago
  Data is unable to regurgitate a comment in my style and pass it for something I have written. If a person were to do that, that'd be quite rude, but if it's AI it's perfectly fine? I do not think so.
  - lagniappe 1y ago
    In public you have no control over how someone uses a picture of your likeness
    - giantrobot 1y ago
      That's not true in the case of impersonating someone based on public recording of them. You'll quickly run afoul of Right of Publicity laws. It's one thing to simply record people in public where they don't have an expectation of privacy. It's quite another to impersonate them.
- dang 1y ago
  This is not relevant to your point but I want to say that's an entirely third party project and we didn't even know about it for a long time. We don't publish data to them except in the sense that we publish it to everybody: https://github.com/HackerNews/API https://github.com/HackerNews/API. I think their page gives a misleading impression that the project is somehow official, when it's not (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43850991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43850991).
  - vercantez 1y ago
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belter 1y ago
You can ask ChatGPT its opinion about you as HN user, and you will see they trained on the whole content of HN.
- isoprophlex 1y ago
  I had another experience; even though it roasted me pretty thoroughly, that was only until I turned on web search. Before that, it was just pulling random, plausible shit out of its ass. https://chatgpt.com/share/682a275e-0cb8-8013-8365-b896bfa171c7 https://chatgpt.com/share/682a275e-0cb8-8013-8365-b896bfa171...
  - stuckkeys 1y ago
    Same. I never talked about Rust. It was saying I had opinions about it but I never delivered anything. lol.

by sph 1y ago

brookst 1y ago

Never do anything publicly that you don’t want to be public.

nessbot 1y ago
And don't mistreat peoples public data, and expect them to like or support you.
- brookst 1y ago
  Unfortunately “mistreat” is highly subjective. No matter what you do someone will be angry at you. I once got yelled at for taking a picture on a public beach where there was some family picnicking maybe 50 meters away. I think I was reasonable, the gentleman most emphatically did not. Control what you can control. If you object to being a small data point in someone else’s documentation of a public experience, don’t put yourself in that situation.
  - nessbot 1y ago
    Don't disagree, just saying it goes both ways. In your case you didn't care (not judging, I probably wouldn't either) about the opinions of the randos at the beach. However, in business, reputation does matter.
sph 1y ago
I'm fine with public records of stuff I have posted, I'd not be fine if you were impersonating me, nor I am if it's a piece of software doing that. Can we take the ethics of AI seriously? I feel it's about time.
- pixl97 1y ago
  >Can we take the ethics of AI seriously? If you're not suggesting a law to do so, then no. 35+ years of using the internet tells me that ethics is not included, nor at this point in the game should be expected.
- brookst 1y ago
  Agreed, role playing as real people is unacceptable for both AI and other real people. “Tell me what Bernie Sanders might say about…” is fine, so long as the response is in the form “based on his past statements”. “Pretend to be Bernie Sanders and talk about” is not ok to prompt, nor ok for the model to respond to with an impersonation.
- deadbabe 1y ago
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vercantez 1y ago

Hacker News publishes this dataset freely to the bigquery data marketplace https://console.cloud.google.com/marketplace/product/y-combinator/hacker-news?inv=1&invt=Abxuug&project=hackernews-460118 https://console.cloud.google.com/marketplace/product/y-combi... This product was built to connect to your own database but I thought it was fun to connect to the HN dataset

sph 1y ago
Data is unable to regurgitate a comment in my style and pass it for something I have written. If a person were to do that, that'd be quite rude, but if it's AI it's perfectly fine? I do not think so.
- lagniappe 1y ago
  In public you have no control over how someone uses a picture of your likeness
  - giantrobot 1y ago
    That's not true in the case of impersonating someone based on public recording of them. You'll quickly run afoul of Right of Publicity laws. It's one thing to simply record people in public where they don't have an expectation of privacy. It's quite another to impersonate them.
dang 1y ago
This is not relevant to your point but I want to say that's an entirely third party project and we didn't even know about it for a long time. We don't publish data to them except in the sense that we publish it to everybody: https://github.com/HackerNews/API https://github.com/HackerNews/API. I think their page gives a misleading impression that the project is somehow official, when it's not (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43850991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43850991).
- vercantez 1y ago

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belter 1y ago

You can ask ChatGPT its opinion about you as HN user, and you will see they trained on the whole content of HN.

isoprophlex 1y ago
I had another experience; even though it roasted me pretty thoroughly, that was only until I turned on web search. Before that, it was just pulling random, plausible shit out of its ass. https://chatgpt.com/share/682a275e-0cb8-8013-8365-b896bfa171c7 https://chatgpt.com/share/682a275e-0cb8-8013-8365-b896bfa171...
- stuckkeys 1y ago
  Same. I never talked about Rust. It was saying I had opinions about it but I never delivered anything. lol.