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I think "text" is irrelevant, the distinction is between art and the synthetic, where art might be written or visual. It's a vague term that's often used to mea
by card_zero 1y ago
I think "text" is irrelevant, the distinction is between art and the synthetic, where art might be written or visual. It's a vague term that's often used to mean "graphics", confusing matters, and the meaning of art is endlessly debated, like the meaning of intelligence.
Obviously we have synthetic graphics (like synthetic text). So something else must be meant by "art" here.
- exe34 1y agoIf somebody comes up with a new pun, is that art?
- card_zero 1y agoAtelier later.
- exe34 1y agoWhat?
- card_zero 1y agoI tried to invent a new pun, it seemed a crime not to make the effort.
- exe34 1y agohow did you come up with it?
- card_zero 1y agoLet's say I used an AI. Actually I browsed unrelated word lists in Onelook - I think I was on synonyms for "confusion" - until I remembered the word atelier because it turns up in fantasy anime a lot. But that's a kind of machine assistance, so let's pretend it was an LLM, if that helps with where you're taking this. Now what?
- exe34 1y agoit's exactly where I was going with it. Just because you used tools or have some mechanical process that you used along the way doesn't distract from the fact that you might be able to come up with a good pun. So if you have a computer model that can predict whether people will like a given pun (or a given response for any other domain), then the work produced will have the same effect on the audience. You could try to ascribe the prime mover title to the human that says "write me a pun, a good one!", but ultimately the machine is producing art. The machine could also just produce lots of examples and test them on a large number of humans - in which case none of them individually is the artist, but the art is still being produced.
- card_zero 1y agoMuch hinges on the meaning of "like". This resembles a focus group. It's strong on testing for approval, but sloppy on design, inspiration, and intention. So how interesting can the resulting art be? I'd say "moderately". But less so in some contexts, such as the context of drowning in slop already.
- kachapopopow 1y agoThat was a happy accident.