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It's exactly what the entire campaign platform you voted for was: unprincipled, random bullshit designed to stoke an angry, bigoted, ignorant base. I can respe

It's exactly what the entire campaign platform you voted for was: unprincipled, random bullshit designed to stoke an angry, bigoted, ignorant base. I can respect principled patriotism and fiscal conservativism, but voting for an icon of xenophobia, illiteracy, and graft and expecting anything but that is kinda... Also if you actually gave a shit about containing China, it would probably be in your best interests to vote for a candidate who doesn't base their campaign on alienating the entire rest of the free Western world while simultaneously denigrating and disrespecting the armed services... but what do I know.

landl0rd 1y ago
I voted mostly against harris. I don't really like trump. I've voted against him in every primary I could. I voted libertarian in 2020 because I figured biden would lose. I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. probably worse. Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care.
- 1659447091 1y ago
  > I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. But she would probably be better at keeping the US position in the world and with our allies in good standing; instead of selling it off for personal gain. > Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care. Good point, at least he pretends to care. I mean he is getting the US a "free" jet that will cost the american tax payer almost a billion dollars to retrofit that will be finished at the end of his term and then given to his library for his personal use. But since he pretends to care about Americans, I guess we can also pretend to believe his dealing with the middle east and all his crypto is totally not selling the country out for his, his business partners and his family's benefit. At least you are honest about voting for someone who only pretends to care, instead of voting for someone who does care about the country and it's people, even if some domestic policies views differ -- I can appreciate that honesty.
  - landl0rd 1y ago
    We tried the "nice" approach with the EU of polite patron-to-client instruction. The EU failed to play ball. We tried this with many countries. They failed to play ball. So there is no reason to continue costing the American citizen money for their benefit. An "alliance" where you mostly just help the other person is closer to parasitism. I do not believe any politician cares about America or her citizens. I do not believe harris cares about America or her citizens. Politicians seek power.
    - tmpz22 1y ago
      Canada failed to play ball when they joined us in Afghanistan and died alongside us? When they took in our jets on 9/11? How deep do you think I have to look to find dozens (or hundreds) of strong examples of the EU and other western allies "playing ball"? We seem to be focused a lot on Qatar and Saudi Arabia as our "good" allies. I don't blame you for falling for the rhetoric of a populist candidate willing to say and do anything, claim victory if it works, and ignore and bury it when it doesn't. It's easy. You're not the first in history to do it, and you won't be the last.
      - landl0rd 1y ago
        I don't think Qatar and Saudi are "good" allies. I don't think Canada and the EU were "bad" allies. Canada partially still is not. The EU is now regarding China.
        tmpz22 1y ago
        And what is influencing the EU to “regard” China?
  - firesteelrain 1y ago
    Regarding the jet, you are not being honest when it comes to Trump negotiating a “free jet”. “Government contracted L3Harris Technologies to retrofit the Qatari jet with necessary modifications, aiming to have it operational by fall 2025. “ [1] https://www.ainvest.com/news/l3harris-steps-boeing-footsteps-qatar-jet-deal-positions-defense-giant-growth-2505/ https://www.ainvest.com/news/l3harris-steps-boeing-footsteps... But why? Because Boeing has delayed the real Air Force One replacement until 2035. Trump wants it for the Trump Presidential Library when he leaves office which he can buy and have it retrofitted again. The same/similar thing done for Reagan in 2001.

landl0rd 1y ago

I voted mostly against harris. I don't really like trump. I've voted against him in every primary I could. I voted libertarian in 2020 because I figured biden would lose. I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. probably worse. Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care.

1659447091 1y ago
> I do not believe harris will be any better at containing china. But she would probably be better at keeping the US position in the world and with our allies in good standing; instead of selling it off for personal gain. > Trump is not particularly effective but he at least pretends to care. Good point, at least he pretends to care. I mean he is getting the US a "free" jet that will cost the american tax payer almost a billion dollars to retrofit that will be finished at the end of his term and then given to his library for his personal use. But since he pretends to care about Americans, I guess we can also pretend to believe his dealing with the middle east and all his crypto is totally not selling the country out for his, his business partners and his family's benefit. At least you are honest about voting for someone who only pretends to care, instead of voting for someone who does care about the country and it's people, even if some domestic policies views differ -- I can appreciate that honesty.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  We tried the "nice" approach with the EU of polite patron-to-client instruction. The EU failed to play ball. We tried this with many countries. They failed to play ball. So there is no reason to continue costing the American citizen money for their benefit. An "alliance" where you mostly just help the other person is closer to parasitism. I do not believe any politician cares about America or her citizens. I do not believe harris cares about America or her citizens. Politicians seek power.
  - tmpz22 1y ago
    Canada failed to play ball when they joined us in Afghanistan and died alongside us? When they took in our jets on 9/11? How deep do you think I have to look to find dozens (or hundreds) of strong examples of the EU and other western allies "playing ball"? We seem to be focused a lot on Qatar and Saudi Arabia as our "good" allies. I don't blame you for falling for the rhetoric of a populist candidate willing to say and do anything, claim victory if it works, and ignore and bury it when it doesn't. It's easy. You're not the first in history to do it, and you won't be the last.
    - landl0rd 1y ago
      I don't think Qatar and Saudi are "good" allies. I don't think Canada and the EU were "bad" allies. Canada partially still is not. The EU is now regarding China.
      - tmpz22 1y ago
        And what is influencing the EU to “regard” China?
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  Regarding the jet, you are not being honest when it comes to Trump negotiating a “free jet”. “Government contracted L3Harris Technologies to retrofit the Qatari jet with necessary modifications, aiming to have it operational by fall 2025. “ [1] https://www.ainvest.com/news/l3harris-steps-boeing-footsteps-qatar-jet-deal-positions-defense-giant-growth-2505/ https://www.ainvest.com/news/l3harris-steps-boeing-footsteps... But why? Because Boeing has delayed the real Air Force One replacement until 2035. Trump wants it for the Trump Presidential Library when he leaves office which he can buy and have it retrofitted again. The same/similar thing done for Reagan in 2001.