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Sweden, having their legacy in social democracy and more state control, hates privacy https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-dangerous-approach-e

Sweden, having their legacy in social democracy and more state control, hates privacy https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-dangerous-approach-experts-urge-the-swedish-parliament-to-reject-the-encryption-backdoor-law https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-dangero... It was also Swedish EU commissioner who wants to ban end-to-end encrypted chats and brought various proposals to the EU for this.

maronato 1y ago
What does social democracy have to do with hating privacy? The UK, US, Australia, and other capitalist flagships are all trying to do the same. Not to mention the Patriot Act.
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- KetoManx64 1y ago
  "Crony capitalist", it's not actual capitalism when the government has its fingers and regulatioms in everyone's finances.
- globalnode 1y ago
  I guess the human temptation to want to know what people are saying behind your back goes beyond political/economic systems.
- mantas 1y ago
  Social democracy is also capitalism. I’d rather word that differently. High-trust societies with little expectation of privacy and valuing community tend to do well with social democracy. Otherwise people end up abusing the system and it’s hard to catch them if privacy trumps community needs. Here in ex-USSR country people are very pro privacy and individualist. At the same time we try to copy a lot of Nordic stuff from our neighbors. It’s a shitshow how those cultures mesh. A lot of welfare abuse, hiding beyond muh privacy to avoid scrutinity.
- odiroot 1y ago
  Not sure about the others but UK is a bona fide social democratic country.
dehrmann 1y ago
> Sweden, having their legacy in social democracy and more state control, hates privacy Generally, this is because Swedes trust the state.
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  Hot take but it makes sense to get rid of privacy under certain circumstances. What if we created a political system where you can trust the government to do a good, honest job. Privacy is needed because goals of the government aren't always aligned with goals of the society, but what if that wasn't the case.
  - maronato 1y ago
    Once you lose privacy, you can never get it back. The population may trust the government now, but totalitarian regimes are returning to fashion and love when they can skip the data collecting bureaucracy and go straight into building or offshoring their gulags.
  - beeflet 1y ago
    yeah, what if? :P
  - bvnierop 1y ago
    The problem is that while the goals of today's government may align with all of society (which is already never going to happen), that says nothing about a future government. That future government may have far more nefarious interests and then use data gathered under the government that was trusted to achieve their goals.
- globalnode 1y ago
  I wouldnt trust their state, the one that argued for infecting their entire population with covid to achieve herd immunity, the one that bent the knee to the US when they wanted a sex scandal to arrest Assange, the one who wont release information they have about blown up gas pipelines in their back yard. I shouldnt pick on Sweden, all countries are like this now.

maronato 1y ago

What does social democracy have to do with hating privacy? The UK, US, Australia, and other capitalist flagships are all trying to do the same. Not to mention the Patriot Act.

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KetoManx64 1y ago
"Crony capitalist", it's not actual capitalism when the government has its fingers and regulatioms in everyone's finances.
globalnode 1y ago
I guess the human temptation to want to know what people are saying behind your back goes beyond political/economic systems.
mantas 1y ago
Social democracy is also capitalism. I’d rather word that differently. High-trust societies with little expectation of privacy and valuing community tend to do well with social democracy. Otherwise people end up abusing the system and it’s hard to catch them if privacy trumps community needs. Here in ex-USSR country people are very pro privacy and individualist. At the same time we try to copy a lot of Nordic stuff from our neighbors. It’s a shitshow how those cultures mesh. A lot of welfare abuse, hiding beyond muh privacy to avoid scrutinity.
odiroot 1y ago
Not sure about the others but UK is a bona fide social democratic country.

dehrmann 1y ago

> Sweden, having their legacy in social democracy and more state control, hates privacy Generally, this is because Swedes trust the state.

anal_reactor 1y ago
Hot take but it makes sense to get rid of privacy under certain circumstances. What if we created a political system where you can trust the government to do a good, honest job. Privacy is needed because goals of the government aren't always aligned with goals of the society, but what if that wasn't the case.
- maronato 1y ago
  Once you lose privacy, you can never get it back. The population may trust the government now, but totalitarian regimes are returning to fashion and love when they can skip the data collecting bureaucracy and go straight into building or offshoring their gulags.
- beeflet 1y ago
  yeah, what if? :P
- bvnierop 1y ago
  The problem is that while the goals of today's government may align with all of society (which is already never going to happen), that says nothing about a future government. That future government may have far more nefarious interests and then use data gathered under the government that was trusted to achieve their goals.
globalnode 1y ago
I wouldnt trust their state, the one that argued for infecting their entire population with covid to achieve herd immunity, the one that bent the knee to the US when they wanted a sex scandal to arrest Assange, the one who wont release information they have about blown up gas pipelines in their back yard. I shouldnt pick on Sweden, all countries are like this now.