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The problem is Google will probably do it again once the press has moved on. Nextcloud directly competes with a bunch of Google's own offerings and clearly its

The problem is Google will probably do it again once the press has moved on. Nextcloud directly competes with a bunch of Google's own offerings and clearly its very popular given the amount of users of the app. They will restrict this again in the future. I moved to F droid and now my app works as its meant to and I don't see much reason to move back to Play store updates.

jqpabc123 1y ago
They will restrict this again in the future. Or they could restrict F-Droid and mandate Play store in future releases of Android. "Security" would be a good candidate for justification. Corporate greed has no limit.
- hollow-moe 1y ago
  They won't directly "mandate" the use of Playstore since it would be an obvious abuse of monopoly to regulators. Instead they can (and do) allow developpers to enable various checks with the Play Integrity API to ensure the app comes from playstore and is running on an "unmodified" android aka maintream OEM android and not custom ROM.
  - jqpabc123 1y ago
    They won't directly "mandate" the use of Playstore since it would be an obvious abuse of monopoly to regulators. Unlike what they did to NextCloud? Unlike what Apple does?
    - hollow-moe 1y ago
      They didn't force Nextcloud to distribute through PlayStore, and Apple is under scrutiny for malicious compliance on allowing third party stores in Europe
- poincaredisk 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure EU would love to hammer them with fines for that. Unless they ban F-Droid in the US but not in the EU - similar things have happened in the past, but nothing of this scale yet.
crossroadsguy 1y ago
It's a dangerous precedent if people just move to something else. Because very soon Google might start creating problems for these alt app stores as well and tightening the screw on this. In fact they might still start blocking such apps that they want to block. With every Android release - it becomes less and less open.
- MaxikCZ 1y ago
  So its dangerous to use open ways, because if a lot of people use open way, google will close it? So people should worry to use the open way out of fear of being punished if they do? I dont even know how to express myself about this style of argumenting...
  - crossroadsguy 1y ago
    Oh I believe you when you say that you don't know how to express yourself about this line of argument. Because the way is to not let Google do any of this. That is the root of the problem - allowing Google and Apple slowly closing these doors and start seeking rent in some cases. But that's hard.
justsomehnguy 1y ago
> Nextcloud directly competes with a bunch of Google's own offerings N. is a drop in the bucket compared to G. market. It's not about the revenue, it's about the control. BTW it was somewhat amusing to look at the OwnCloud financials
Gigachad 1y ago
Googles own Drive app doesn’t request these permissions. There isn’t really a good reason for an app to have full files access without user prompting.

jqpabc123 1y ago

They will restrict this again in the future. Or they could restrict F-Droid and mandate Play store in future releases of Android. "Security" would be a good candidate for justification. Corporate greed has no limit.

hollow-moe 1y ago
They won't directly "mandate" the use of Playstore since it would be an obvious abuse of monopoly to regulators. Instead they can (and do) allow developpers to enable various checks with the Play Integrity API to ensure the app comes from playstore and is running on an "unmodified" android aka maintream OEM android and not custom ROM.
- jqpabc123 1y ago
  They won't directly "mandate" the use of Playstore since it would be an obvious abuse of monopoly to regulators. Unlike what they did to NextCloud? Unlike what Apple does?
  - hollow-moe 1y ago
    They didn't force Nextcloud to distribute through PlayStore, and Apple is under scrutiny for malicious compliance on allowing third party stores in Europe
poincaredisk 1y ago
I'm pretty sure EU would love to hammer them with fines for that. Unless they ban F-Droid in the US but not in the EU - similar things have happened in the past, but nothing of this scale yet.

crossroadsguy 1y ago

It's a dangerous precedent if people just move to something else. Because very soon Google might start creating problems for these alt app stores as well and tightening the screw on this. In fact they might still start blocking such apps that they want to block. With every Android release - it becomes less and less open.

MaxikCZ 1y ago
So its dangerous to use open ways, because if a lot of people use open way, google will close it? So people should worry to use the open way out of fear of being punished if they do? I dont even know how to express myself about this style of argumenting...
- crossroadsguy 1y ago
  Oh I believe you when you say that you don't know how to express yourself about this line of argument. Because the way is to not let Google do any of this. That is the root of the problem - allowing Google and Apple slowly closing these doors and start seeking rent in some cases. But that's hard.

justsomehnguy 1y ago

> Nextcloud directly competes with a bunch of Google's own offerings N. is a drop in the bucket compared to G. market. It's not about the revenue, it's about the control. BTW it was somewhat amusing to look at the OwnCloud financials

Gigachad 1y ago

Googles own Drive app doesn’t request these permissions. There isn’t really a good reason for an app to have full files access without user prompting.