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A scarier thought is that people will "talk" so much with these AIs that they'll start talking like ChatGPT. So we may still end up with some AI enshittificatio

by rdtsc 1y ago

A scarier thought is that people will "talk" so much with these AIs that they'll start talking like ChatGPT. So we may still end up with some AI enshittification fixed point in the future but, one of the feedback paths will be human brains become enshittified. Imagine you time travel 20 years in the future and find out everyone around you talks the same and they all like ChatGPT.

whatever1 1y ago
On the other hand imagine a society where everyone is so polite and flattering each other.
- lazide 1y ago
  Bless your heart. (/s, little)
- Freak_NL 1y ago
  If someone earnestly starts using those pointless platitudes LLM generated slop is filled with (“You're absolutely right. Here's where I was wrong …”) I suspect they will quickly find that violence was never far off.
  - falcor84 1y ago
    Why?! Are you saying that you can't see yourself trusting someone who "earnestly" admitted to changing their mind?
    - Freak_NL 1y ago
      Not if they use those generic phrases without any preamble. It's exhausting to have a conversation with someone who constantly answers in hollow pleasing unidiomatic language. Changing someone's mind isn't instant; it's a process (which could start with “Huh. You might be right there. I didn't think of that.” or “Oh right, I forgot about that.” or something similar), not an instant admission of error. It's unhuman. It gives the other party the sense that they are just saying that to please you, not because they actually changed their mind.
      - falcor84 1y ago
        But in the GP's vision, it would become idiomatic: >imagine a society where everyone is so polite and flattering each other If it were to become pleasantries like our, "I appreciate it", "sorry about that" and "would you mind", I think it would be amazing for people to talk about changing their mind, even when they don't fully mean it.
morkalork 1y ago
No need to do imaginary time travel, here's articles from almost 10 years ago with the exact same concerns about how Alex fosters rudeness in children: https://qz.com/701521/parents-are-worried-the-amazon-echo-is-conditioning-their-kids-to-be-rude https://qz.com/701521/parents-are-worried-the-amazon-echo-is... https://www.wsj.com/articles/alexa-dont-let-my-2-year-old-talk-to-you-that-way-1531229274 https://www.wsj.com/articles/alexa-dont-let-my-2-year-old-ta... Kids are social creatures, I don't think the interaction from AIs is going to be so overwhelming. At least looking back, I'd blame social media more for today's brain rot more than Alex like these articles feared.
- rdtsc 1y ago
  > Kids are social creatures, I don't think the interaction from AIs is going to be so overwhelming The problem is Alexa is a very basic and kids get bored with it. Chat based AI mimics human conversation a lot better and people will be spending a lot more time with it, using it for homework, relationship advice, therapy, as an imaginary friend, at work etc. I heard of cases of psychologists discussing conditions negatively reinforced by ChatGPT, can’t recall any such stories about Alexa or Siri for instance. Interacting so much with the system , it’s inevitable that humans will start to pick up its quirks.

by rdtsc 1y ago

whatever1 1y ago

On the other hand imagine a society where everyone is so polite and flattering each other.

lazide 1y ago
Bless your heart. (/s, little)
Freak_NL 1y ago
If someone earnestly starts using those pointless platitudes LLM generated slop is filled with (“You're absolutely right. Here's where I was wrong …”) I suspect they will quickly find that violence was never far off.
- falcor84 1y ago
  Why?! Are you saying that you can't see yourself trusting someone who "earnestly" admitted to changing their mind?
  - Freak_NL 1y ago
    Not if they use those generic phrases without any preamble. It's exhausting to have a conversation with someone who constantly answers in hollow pleasing unidiomatic language. Changing someone's mind isn't instant; it's a process (which could start with “Huh. You might be right there. I didn't think of that.” or “Oh right, I forgot about that.” or something similar), not an instant admission of error. It's unhuman. It gives the other party the sense that they are just saying that to please you, not because they actually changed their mind.
    - falcor84 1y ago
      But in the GP's vision, it would become idiomatic: >imagine a society where everyone is so polite and flattering each other If it were to become pleasantries like our, "I appreciate it", "sorry about that" and "would you mind", I think it would be amazing for people to talk about changing their mind, even when they don't fully mean it.

morkalork 1y ago

No need to do imaginary time travel, here's articles from almost 10 years ago with the exact same concerns about how Alex fosters rudeness in children: https://qz.com/701521/parents-are-worried-the-amazon-echo-is-conditioning-their-kids-to-be-rude https://qz.com/701521/parents-are-worried-the-amazon-echo-is... https://www.wsj.com/articles/alexa-dont-let-my-2-year-old-talk-to-you-that-way-1531229274 https://www.wsj.com/articles/alexa-dont-let-my-2-year-old-ta... Kids are social creatures, I don't think the interaction from AIs is going to be so overwhelming. At least looking back, I'd blame social media more for today's brain rot more than Alex like these articles feared.

rdtsc 1y ago
> Kids are social creatures, I don't think the interaction from AIs is going to be so overwhelming The problem is Alexa is a very basic and kids get bored with it. Chat based AI mimics human conversation a lot better and people will be spending a lot more time with it, using it for homework, relationship advice, therapy, as an imaginary friend, at work etc. I heard of cases of psychologists discussing conditions negatively reinforced by ChatGPT, can’t recall any such stories about Alexa or Siri for instance. Interacting so much with the system , it’s inevitable that humans will start to pick up its quirks.