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I hope it doesn't survive. But I'm sure it will. It is a propaganda outfit (and was from inception). It has special legislation to force TV owners to pay - t

I hope it doesn't survive. But I'm sure it will. It is a propaganda outfit (and was from inception). It has special legislation to force TV owners to pay - this tax is called the 'license fee'. In the past only people who had been 'cleared' could work there. While people think that the UK's recent legislation is dystopian, the reality is it was ever thus as we see with the bbc. I would be very glad to see it go, but that won't happen because - it's utility as a megaphone to the governance system remains very high. Here is the bbc admitting it lied for -50-, sorry, 70 (!) years, to members of parliament even, about the vetting: https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43754737 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-43754737 I certainly suspect this is only a partial disclosure - not only political outlooks would be considered. Simply a lying, propagandising institution.

graemep 1y ago
I do not know why you are being downvoted - there is some hyperbole in your comment but your link (to the BBC itself!) is shocking and certainly justifies calling it a lying institution. I do not think it is as dystopian as recent legislation. It did not intrude into our private lives!
- nprateem 1y ago
  All media is propaganda. At least it's not the made up right wing shit that runs America. 1 downvote explained.
  - genewitch 1y ago
    It is funny to hear the US M5M declared "right wing" - it just isn't true. Right now broadcasters are in a bit of a minefield. Viewership is down, most broadcast stations are owned by a couple of companies, and rumor has it the administration may ban pharmaceutical advertising on television (which won't have teeth unless they explicitly ban native advertising). The pharma ads bankroll most mainstream media in the US, billions a year. (Note, I worked at one of the largest media empires in the US and watched the internal livestreams of the advertiser banquets) And most pharma ads are not aimed at you and I, it's aimed at medical providers. That's how lucrative pharma marketing is for pharma. And I completely disagree with your claim that all media is propaganda. Propaganda is a word that is defined. So I'll chalk that up to hyperbole. As in: if my objective is to make a nice song that people tap their feet to, is that propaganda because it has an objective? If so, then the word "propaganda" is diluted to the point of meaninglessness. You may as well say "all media is media."
- permo-w 1y ago
  the comment is being downvoted because its central premise is preposterous: the BBC lied about vetted people for MI5 30 years ago -> therefore it's a lying propaganda institution -> therefore it should be disbanded first of all, even if MI5 vetting for this kind of thing wasn't a completely reasonable precaution--read Spycatcher if you don't know why--do you think the BBC had a choice in matters? second, this was 30 years ago. third, if we're going to just disband any institution that's silently beholden to MI5, you may as well abandon the whole country. fourth, the BBC makes a metric tonne of fantastic content enjoyed by people all over the world, and yet somehow it should be disbanded for trying to keep soviet spies out over 30 years ago? people just love to hate the BBC, egged on by the cowardly, self-interested right-wing media, and it's just sad, because it's genuinely one of the truly great things about the country. it's our greatest artistic cultural achievement by a long distance
  - verisimi 1y ago
    > people just love to hate the BBC, egged on by the cowardly, self-interested right-wing media, and it's just sad, because it's genuinely one of the truly great things about the country. it's our greatest artistic cultural achievement by a long distance Sadly, lying for decades to everyone is indeed Britain's greatest artistic cultural achievement.
    - permo-w 1y ago
      this is a mentally lazy response
      - verisimi 1y ago
        I don't love lies or liars.
        permo-w 1y ago
        then hide yourself in a cave and never come out because everyone lies and everything lies and the world is built on lies name an institution as large and wide and old as the BBC that hasn't told far more lies for far less honourable reasons than defending against soviet espionage
- verisimi 1y ago
  You don't think that it intruded into private lives, but I would disagree. If only certain information/ideas/programs are aired, you don't know what you don't know. You are not able to make informed decisions with only partial information. An institution such as the BBC operating without any push back for decades would be capable of directing culture and society, in an artificial way.
fractallyte 1y ago
Like it or not, the BBC is the world's oldest public broadcaster; a pioneer in many ways. For the UK, there's a huge amount of prestige in that. Naturally, the BBC as an entity needs to preserve British values. Conservatism and political correctness doesn't automatically entail "lying" or propaganda.
- cam_l 1y ago
  The BBC that you see in the rest of the world is very much not the BBC you see in England. The English BBC is surprisingly myopic and totally fits the charge of propaganda.
doublerabbit 1y ago
Operation YewTree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree
HK-NC 1y ago
Last time I watched BBC it was the news in the morning before work aboit ten years ago, I was lectured about black excellence and white fragility. Vile institution.

graemep 1y ago

I do not know why you are being downvoted - there is some hyperbole in your comment but your link (to the BBC itself!) is shocking and certainly justifies calling it a lying institution. I do not think it is as dystopian as recent legislation. It did not intrude into our private lives!

nprateem 1y ago
All media is propaganda. At least it's not the made up right wing shit that runs America. 1 downvote explained.
- genewitch 1y ago
  It is funny to hear the US M5M declared "right wing" - it just isn't true. Right now broadcasters are in a bit of a minefield. Viewership is down, most broadcast stations are owned by a couple of companies, and rumor has it the administration may ban pharmaceutical advertising on television (which won't have teeth unless they explicitly ban native advertising). The pharma ads bankroll most mainstream media in the US, billions a year. (Note, I worked at one of the largest media empires in the US and watched the internal livestreams of the advertiser banquets) And most pharma ads are not aimed at you and I, it's aimed at medical providers. That's how lucrative pharma marketing is for pharma. And I completely disagree with your claim that all media is propaganda. Propaganda is a word that is defined. So I'll chalk that up to hyperbole. As in: if my objective is to make a nice song that people tap their feet to, is that propaganda because it has an objective? If so, then the word "propaganda" is diluted to the point of meaninglessness. You may as well say "all media is media."
permo-w 1y ago
the comment is being downvoted because its central premise is preposterous: the BBC lied about vetted people for MI5 30 years ago -> therefore it's a lying propaganda institution -> therefore it should be disbanded first of all, even if MI5 vetting for this kind of thing wasn't a completely reasonable precaution--read Spycatcher if you don't know why--do you think the BBC had a choice in matters? second, this was 30 years ago. third, if we're going to just disband any institution that's silently beholden to MI5, you may as well abandon the whole country. fourth, the BBC makes a metric tonne of fantastic content enjoyed by people all over the world, and yet somehow it should be disbanded for trying to keep soviet spies out over 30 years ago? people just love to hate the BBC, egged on by the cowardly, self-interested right-wing media, and it's just sad, because it's genuinely one of the truly great things about the country. it's our greatest artistic cultural achievement by a long distance
- verisimi 1y ago
  > people just love to hate the BBC, egged on by the cowardly, self-interested right-wing media, and it's just sad, because it's genuinely one of the truly great things about the country. it's our greatest artistic cultural achievement by a long distance Sadly, lying for decades to everyone is indeed Britain's greatest artistic cultural achievement.
  - permo-w 1y ago
    this is a mentally lazy response
    - verisimi 1y ago
      I don't love lies or liars.
      - permo-w 1y ago
        then hide yourself in a cave and never come out because everyone lies and everything lies and the world is built on lies name an institution as large and wide and old as the BBC that hasn't told far more lies for far less honourable reasons than defending against soviet espionage
verisimi 1y ago
You don't think that it intruded into private lives, but I would disagree. If only certain information/ideas/programs are aired, you don't know what you don't know. You are not able to make informed decisions with only partial information. An institution such as the BBC operating without any push back for decades would be capable of directing culture and society, in an artificial way.

fractallyte 1y ago

Like it or not, the BBC is the world's oldest public broadcaster; a pioneer in many ways. For the UK, there's a huge amount of prestige in that. Naturally, the BBC as an entity needs to preserve British values. Conservatism and political correctness doesn't automatically entail "lying" or propaganda.

cam_l 1y ago
The BBC that you see in the rest of the world is very much not the BBC you see in England. The English BBC is surprisingly myopic and totally fits the charge of propaganda.

doublerabbit 1y ago

Operation YewTree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yewtree

HK-NC 1y ago

Last time I watched BBC it was the news in the morning before work aboit ten years ago, I was lectured about black excellence and white fragility. Vile institution.