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How ironic. For years you've been enforcing the dehumanization of human communications (e.g. basic gratitude and courtesy are taboo) and then you object when AI

by yuzzi 1y ago

How ironic. For years you've been enforcing the dehumanization of human communications (e.g. basic gratitude and courtesy are taboo) and then you object when AI comes along and people prefer it to your dehumanizing platform.

zahlman 1y ago
> For years you've been enforcing the dehumanization of human communications (e.g. basic gratitude and courtesy are taboo) This is so far from true that it's frankly insulting. > and then you object when AI comes along and people prefer it to your dehumanizing platform. I do not object in the slightest to people preferring to use an LLM. I have even explicitly suggested in threads like this that people who prefer to do so should continue to do so. What I object to is the idea that other people should get to decide how Stack Overflow works, or should get to denigrate Stack Overflow on the basis of their idea of how it ought to work.
- AlexeyBelov 1y ago
  I don't know why you engage with anonymous cowards anyway. They are just trolling.
- solongso 1y ago
  It's absolutely true. I've had my posts edited to remove phrases like "thanks for any advice which you can provide". I've had people leave comments and ding my reputation because I've expressed gratitude. Maybe you don't think eliminating gratitude from basic communications qualifies as "dehumanizing". OK, let's agree to disagree. (BTW - to the guy who called me a "troll". If you can't disagree with a fellow of your species, without branding them a troll, you've just made my point. Thank you.)
  - zahlman 1y ago
    >I've had my posts edited to remove phrases like "thanks for any advice which you can provide" Yes. Doing this makes your post better, because it means everyone who reads it later saves time. Your post is not there to talk to people. Your question is there to ask a question. Your answer is there to answer the question. This is explicit policy: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131009 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131009 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403176 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403176 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328379 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328379 https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/behavior https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/behavior ("Do not use signature, taglines, greetings, thanks, or other chitchat.") And it follows directly from it not being a discussion forum (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107). > Maybe you don't think eliminating gratitude from basic communications qualifies as "dehumanizing" What you miss is that it is not communication between the person who asks and the person who answers. It is publication of a question and answer so that everyone can benefit. When you see someone say "thanks for any advice which you can provide" directly to someone else, does that feel welcoming to you? It doesn't to me. It feels like suddenly I'm unintentionally eavesdropping on some conversation, and that I'm not supposed to be there. But I only came to learn (or teach) something. > BTW - to the guy who called me a "troll". If you can't disagree with a fellow of your species, without branding them a troll, you've just made my point. Thank you You appear to be making multiple throwaway accounts rather than risking your HN reputation. From the guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to.
    - yuzzi 1y ago
      Stop assuming the worst. Someday you'll get on the wrong train before you check its destination. I happen to be signed in with two accounts on two different devices because I had forgotten my password and was having trouble with the recovery process. So ding me for it. It's what you do best.
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    - yuzzi 1y ago
      "unintentionally eavesdropping on some conversation" Let me introduce you to the internet. It's this public access network where literally the entire world comes to exchange information in open forum.

by yuzzi 1y ago

zahlman 1y ago

> For years you've been enforcing the dehumanization of human communications (e.g. basic gratitude and courtesy are taboo) This is so far from true that it's frankly insulting. > and then you object when AI comes along and people prefer it to your dehumanizing platform. I do not object in the slightest to people preferring to use an LLM. I have even explicitly suggested in threads like this that people who prefer to do so should continue to do so. What I object to is the idea that other people should get to decide how Stack Overflow works, or should get to denigrate Stack Overflow on the basis of their idea of how it ought to work.

AlexeyBelov 1y ago
I don't know why you engage with anonymous cowards anyway. They are just trolling.
solongso 1y ago
It's absolutely true. I've had my posts edited to remove phrases like "thanks for any advice which you can provide". I've had people leave comments and ding my reputation because I've expressed gratitude. Maybe you don't think eliminating gratitude from basic communications qualifies as "dehumanizing". OK, let's agree to disagree. (BTW - to the guy who called me a "troll". If you can't disagree with a fellow of your species, without branding them a troll, you've just made my point. Thank you.)
- zahlman 1y ago
  >I've had my posts edited to remove phrases like "thanks for any advice which you can provide" Yes. Doing this makes your post better, because it means everyone who reads it later saves time. Your post is not there to talk to people. Your question is there to ask a question. Your answer is there to answer the question. This is explicit policy: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2950 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131009 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131009 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403176 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403176 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328379 https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/328379 https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/behavior https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/behavior ("Do not use signature, taglines, greetings, thanks, or other chitchat.") And it follows directly from it not being a discussion forum (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107). > Maybe you don't think eliminating gratitude from basic communications qualifies as "dehumanizing" What you miss is that it is not communication between the person who asks and the person who answers. It is publication of a question and answer so that everyone can benefit. When you see someone say "thanks for any advice which you can provide" directly to someone else, does that feel welcoming to you? It doesn't to me. It feels like suddenly I'm unintentionally eavesdropping on some conversation, and that I'm not supposed to be there. But I only came to learn (or teach) something. > BTW - to the guy who called me a "troll". If you can't disagree with a fellow of your species, without branding them a troll, you've just made my point. Thank you You appear to be making multiple throwaway accounts rather than risking your HN reputation. From the guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to.
  - yuzzi 1y ago
    Stop assuming the worst. Someday you'll get on the wrong train before you check its destination. I happen to be signed in with two accounts on two different devices because I had forgotten my password and was having trouble with the recovery process. So ding me for it. It's what you do best.
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  - yuzzi 1y ago
    "unintentionally eavesdropping on some conversation" Let me introduce you to the internet. It's this public access network where literally the entire world comes to exchange information in open forum.