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Well, I hope they keep pushing hard so that lawmakers notice how broken anything related to selling software is. I know, wishful thinking, but I'd love more own

Well, I hope they keep pushing hard so that lawmakers notice how broken anything related to selling software is. I know, wishful thinking, but I'd love more ownership for the hardware I buy. A few days ago Nintendo announced that if you do anything outside of what they allow, they will BRICK YOUR NINTENDO SWITCH. Like, how's that even legal

throwaway290 1y ago
just checking, so you think selling software is broken, do you actually sell software? if you are an indie dev on app store, do you think apple allowing alt stores and basically unlocking piracy is how selling will become less broken for you? there are only two categories of people winning this: people who like to pirate things when they can, and shady corps like epic who are invulnerable to piracy even if alt stores are allowed (because they run their own billing servers) and who want to make a penny more on every predatory microtransaction in their games.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
  The 3 biggest companies in the world are all 3 software companies. I guess you could consider Apple a hardware company, that leaves us with 2, but the appstore is an enormous source of revenue for Apple, so there is that. I guess "selling software" in my mind doesn't necessarily means a traditional transaction, so that's probably the source of disagreement. Yes, to me selling software is very much broken for the consumer. The fact that selling software for indie devs is hard doesn't justify that, selling to end users is hard in many businesses. In businesses, software is everywhere though
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    Selling software is (was) just fine for indie devs with app store. Actually I would say it was just fine and easier than anywhere else for users too. So I have no idea what "broken for consumer" means either.
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
      The same properties we get with physical things (ownership): - sell - repair - pass it to our kids - no dependency on big corp one day figuring out they don't like me and banning me from all the things I purchased from them - no possibility for hardware to be broken because "you did something we didn't like" - emulate or reverse engineer the software, even the damn drm, when the company breaks it These kind of things that you can do with physical items That kind of stuff
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        Do you think that when you are making something non-physical that can be copied with zero effort (like a programmer who makes a cool little app) then you can only do this for a living and fairly if there is some ability to restrict copying? if you can pass it to your kids then it also breaks the above. I have some nice non-appstore indie apps I bought as one time purchase, they still call some billing API. they work if I block them with a firewall but they probably will stop working after a reinstall and if billing api dies they are forever in trial mode. do I blame the dev for make a living?
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
        I haven't said you cannot do what you just described, I want to be put in law that you have to account for passing it onto my kids. Right into the DRM. While I'm alive, lock it to me, unless I land it to somebody else, in which case it must be locked to them
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
        lend it* sorry for the typo
        throwaway290 1y ago
        If the solution means hardware DRM vendor must know your legal family tree, I'm out;) But seriously in ideal world - subscription offers like adobe will be outcompeted by better one-time sale indie software This aint happening unless indie devs can reliably make enough money and are protected - indie dev can open source their stuff in case they quit the business/retire (unless their kids take over and keep billing api working) or for people who can't afford it. Projects did it because you couldn't just take someone's xcode project and publish it. But now with now alt stores you can So yeah Epic push for alt stores kills both of the above, all because they want to shave a cent more from each microtransaction they lure your kids into

throwaway290 1y ago

just checking, so you think selling software is broken, do you actually sell software? if you are an indie dev on app store, do you think apple allowing alt stores and basically unlocking piracy is how selling will become less broken for you? there are only two categories of people winning this: people who like to pirate things when they can, and shady corps like epic who are invulnerable to piracy even if alt stores are allowed (because they run their own billing servers) and who want to make a penny more on every predatory microtransaction in their games.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
The 3 biggest companies in the world are all 3 software companies. I guess you could consider Apple a hardware company, that leaves us with 2, but the appstore is an enormous source of revenue for Apple, so there is that. I guess "selling software" in my mind doesn't necessarily means a traditional transaction, so that's probably the source of disagreement. Yes, to me selling software is very much broken for the consumer. The fact that selling software for indie devs is hard doesn't justify that, selling to end users is hard in many businesses. In businesses, software is everywhere though
- throwaway290 1y ago
  Selling software is (was) just fine for indie devs with app store. Actually I would say it was just fine and easier than anywhere else for users too. So I have no idea what "broken for consumer" means either.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
    The same properties we get with physical things (ownership): - sell - repair - pass it to our kids - no dependency on big corp one day figuring out they don't like me and banning me from all the things I purchased from them - no possibility for hardware to be broken because "you did something we didn't like" - emulate or reverse engineer the software, even the damn drm, when the company breaks it These kind of things that you can do with physical items That kind of stuff
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      Do you think that when you are making something non-physical that can be copied with zero effort (like a programmer who makes a cool little app) then you can only do this for a living and fairly if there is some ability to restrict copying? if you can pass it to your kids then it also breaks the above. I have some nice non-appstore indie apps I bought as one time purchase, they still call some billing API. they work if I block them with a firewall but they probably will stop working after a reinstall and if billing api dies they are forever in trial mode. do I blame the dev for make a living?
      - Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
        I haven't said you cannot do what you just described, I want to be put in law that you have to account for passing it onto my kids. Right into the DRM. While I'm alive, lock it to me, unless I land it to somebody else, in which case it must be locked to them
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
        lend it* sorry for the typo
        throwaway290 1y ago
        If the solution means hardware DRM vendor must know your legal family tree, I'm out;) But seriously in ideal world - subscription offers like adobe will be outcompeted by better one-time sale indie software This aint happening unless indie devs can reliably make enough money and are protected - indie dev can open source their stuff in case they quit the business/retire (unless their kids take over and keep billing api working) or for people who can't afford it. Projects did it because you couldn't just take someone's xcode project and publish it. But now with now alt stores you can So yeah Epic push for alt stores kills both of the above, all because they want to shave a cent more from each microtransaction they lure your kids into