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Nah, if it was an employee who quit they would say that. The fact that they didn't mention firing the employee who did it means either: 1 - It was some super v

by hersko 1y ago

Nah, if it was an employee who quit they would say that. The fact that they didn't mention firing the employee who did it means either: 1 - It was some super valuable 10x guy 2 - (more likely) it was Elon Musk

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Did Apple mention firing the dev(s) who had voice to text replace "Trump" with "Racist" in iOS?[1] Did Google mention firing the dev(s) who blocked Gemini from generating photos of white people?[2] Most likely no people were fired in either of such cases because they were only following orders from above congruent to the company's internal political and cultural biases, or if they were acting rogue, they got hefty severance packages in exchanged for signing NDAs not to talk to the press about the toxic and possibly illegal things going on inside the company. But either way, no company wants to publicly talk about firing rogue workers since its bad press no matter how you slice it, plus its an admission of guilt of company's culture being rotten or even illegal behind the scenes. They just deny and call it a bug then stay quiet while changing things behind the scene till people forget about it. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/technology/iphone-dictation-trump-racist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/technology/iphone-dictati... [2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/googles-ai-gemini-faces-backlash-for-failing-to-generate-images-of-white-people/articleshow/107940178.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/googles-...
- miltonlost 1y ago
  Those companies are not owned by a manbaby who called a stranger a Pedo Guy and who has doxxed multiple others. Twitter and Musk would, in a heartbeat, name whoever did this, if it hadn't been Musk himself. You need to remember that Musk is exceptionally petty.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    You're ignoring the core issue these companies have, and applying double standards.
    - lesuorac 1y ago
      It's not a double standard. Musk has a history of doxxing. Pichai/Cook does not have a history of doxxing. Ergo, we would expect Musk to doxx somebody given the opportunity while we would not expect the same of Pichai/Cook. The standard being, somebody who likes to doxx will doxx.
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- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  1. Google didn't claim it was some rogue employee. It was a flaw in their model weights (they'd had others before). 2. Apple's case is more similar, but their dictation feature is not a core product in the way that xAI's chat bot is. In other words, you'd expect more checks to ensure that something like your system prompt can't just be modified by some employee (on purpose or inadvertently).
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >It was a flaw in their model weights (they'd had others before). Why does that flaw only have a bias against white people? It's not like it's an accident that nobody inside Google noticed before release. That prompt bias was put there by employees at Google. Think of it the other way, if Gemini had a bias against non-white demographics, would you still brush it off as just a flaw, or as a form of bias/discrimination of employees at Google who code, test and approve this stuff? Remember when Google's image recognition mistakenly took a photo of two black people and labeled as monkeys? They had hell to pay for that mistake yet if it refuses to acknowledge white people then it's just a innocent whoopsie.
    - insane_dreamer 1y ago
      You're conflating two different problems: - AI companies not training their algorithms on sufficiently diverse data, not tuning their algorithms sufficiently to penalize bias, and not testing it sufficiently to ensure the responses are not biases. - Someone at an AI company deliberately modifying the system prompt in order to encourage responses of a given type. Not saying the latter is worse than the former, but they're completely different problems. The xAI problem, in the case, was the latter.
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        insane_dreamer 1y ago
rickydroll 1y ago
3 - was transferred to doge
- ethbr1 1y ago
  4 - twitter's change control systems are so screwed up after Musk fired a chunk of the company that there was no audit trail identifying who did this
  - SEJeff 1y ago
    By design. This is a feature, not a bug.

by hersko 1y ago

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

Did Apple mention firing the dev(s) who had voice to text replace "Trump" with "Racist" in iOS?[1] Did Google mention firing the dev(s) who blocked Gemini from generating photos of white people?[2] Most likely no people were fired in either of such cases because they were only following orders from above congruent to the company's internal political and cultural biases, or if they were acting rogue, they got hefty severance packages in exchanged for signing NDAs not to talk to the press about the toxic and possibly illegal things going on inside the company. But either way, no company wants to publicly talk about firing rogue workers since its bad press no matter how you slice it, plus its an admission of guilt of company's culture being rotten or even illegal behind the scenes. They just deny and call it a bug then stay quiet while changing things behind the scene till people forget about it. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/technology/iphone-dictation-trump-racist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/technology/iphone-dictati... [2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/googles-ai-gemini-faces-backlash-for-failing-to-generate-images-of-white-people/articleshow/107940178.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/etimes/trending/googles-...

miltonlost 1y ago
Those companies are not owned by a manbaby who called a stranger a Pedo Guy and who has doxxed multiple others. Twitter and Musk would, in a heartbeat, name whoever did this, if it hadn't been Musk himself. You need to remember that Musk is exceptionally petty.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  You're ignoring the core issue these companies have, and applying double standards.
  - lesuorac 1y ago
    It's not a double standard. Musk has a history of doxxing. Pichai/Cook does not have a history of doxxing. Ergo, we would expect Musk to doxx somebody given the opportunity while we would not expect the same of Pichai/Cook. The standard being, somebody who likes to doxx will doxx.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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insane_dreamer 1y ago
1. Google didn't claim it was some rogue employee. It was a flaw in their model weights (they'd had others before). 2. Apple's case is more similar, but their dictation feature is not a core product in the way that xAI's chat bot is. In other words, you'd expect more checks to ensure that something like your system prompt can't just be modified by some employee (on purpose or inadvertently).
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >It was a flaw in their model weights (they'd had others before). Why does that flaw only have a bias against white people? It's not like it's an accident that nobody inside Google noticed before release. That prompt bias was put there by employees at Google. Think of it the other way, if Gemini had a bias against non-white demographics, would you still brush it off as just a flaw, or as a form of bias/discrimination of employees at Google who code, test and approve this stuff? Remember when Google's image recognition mistakenly took a photo of two black people and labeled as monkeys? They had hell to pay for that mistake yet if it refuses to acknowledge white people then it's just a innocent whoopsie.
  - insane_dreamer 1y ago
    You're conflating two different problems: - AI companies not training their algorithms on sufficiently diverse data, not tuning their algorithms sufficiently to penalize bias, and not testing it sufficiently to ensure the responses are not biases. - Someone at an AI company deliberately modifying the system prompt in order to encourage responses of a given type. Not saying the latter is worse than the former, but they're completely different problems. The xAI problem, in the case, was the latter.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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      - insane_dreamer 1y ago

rickydroll 1y ago

3 - was transferred to doge

ethbr1 1y ago
4 - twitter's change control systems are so screwed up after Musk fired a chunk of the company that there was no audit trail identifying who did this
- SEJeff 1y ago
  By design. This is a feature, not a bug.