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I thinks it's funny that most arguments against ai-safety regulation argue that the west may fall behind and the sota ai may be developed by bad actors, but her
by Fraterkes 1y ago
I thinks it's funny that most arguments against ai-safety regulation argue that the west may fall behind and the sota ai may be developed by bad actors, but here's one of our biggest ai companies giving complete access to a "rogue actor" and it is treated like a routine snafu. Is ai a matter of national security or not?
- Fraterkes 1y ago(I get that its probably a coverup, but "by their logic" a rogue actor getting access should be an even bigger scandal than if Elon did it personally)
- pixl97 1y agoWe all know Elon is the rogue actor.
- arrowsmith 1y agoHas Elon publicly spoken about the idea that Afrikaners are being genocided? Given his politics and heritage, I would assume he thinks this claim is true. But the rogue actor hacked Grok to make it say the claim is false.
- Philpax 1y agoYes. Scroll through his recent feed: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk https://xcancel.com/elonmusk (Man, I'd blocked him years ago. I hadn't realised how bad it'd gotten.)
- notahacker 1y agoThe "rogue actor" acted in a way which made it constantly refer to the claim irrespective of context. It of course says the claim is false, but in the way you'd expect an LLM trained on the internet the issue to respond to a prompt to "always tell the truth about white genocide". This is the sort of thing you'd expect someone living in particular X bubbles where "white genocide" is both true and extremely important to think was worth adding to Grok's prompting, particular if they were outraged by seeing Grok responding in a similarly sceptical manner when directly asked about the issue. This is the sort of outcome you'd expect from someone who had high level access including the ability to inject prompts but lacked the time and attention to detail to validate the actual results. Elon certainly isn't the only person that could match this description, but frankly it's not unlike him and how he reacts to things on social media...
- krapp 1y agoAI is only a matter of national security if there's a risk of it poisoning our youths with socialist or woke propaganda, or turning popular opinion against the endeavors of the military industrial complex. It's totally fine if AI spreads right-wing conspiracy theories and propaganda, that's just... what are they calling it now... " maximal truth-seeking."
- pavlov 1y agoFor an AI to be maximally truth-seeking, you need the right kind of patriots to be maximally truth-guiding. Goebbels never saw a digital computer but would immediately understand.
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- fkyoureadthedoc 1y agoIs AI in general a matter of national security? Probably. Is Grok's system prompt a matter of national security? Probably not.
- jkestner 1y agoDepends. Is Grok or a sibling to it being deployed in the government?
- krapp 1y agoYes, DOGE heavily uses Grok AI, according to Reuters[0]. [0]https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/musks-doge-using-ai-snoop-us-federal-workers-sources-say-2025-04-08/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/m...
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y agoYou have to make a distinction between Grok the twitter bot run by X, and Grok the AI model built by xAI. The twitter bot is not to my knowledge deployed in the government.
- brookst 1y agoSeriously. I am always dumbfounded when someone pipes up with “if it’s so bad to knife strangers, we should outlaw surgeons” as if it’s calling out a hypocrisy. Context matters.
- danaris 1y agoDo you not think that propaganda/information control is an important part of national security? Given that Xitter is still a fairly widely-used social network platform, and Grok is supposed to be a major part of its defense against misinformation, including misinformation about things like domestic elections and corruption, I would say that it very reasonably qualifies as such. (Granted, to a large extent that horse has left the barn—but that doesn't mean we should just burn down the barn.)
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- amarcheschi 1y agoI'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm taking an ethics in it course and for what I've learned - be aware I'm in the eu -, while eu classifies some categories of risk, it leaves freedom of choice to the companies regarding how to make sure to stay in the guidelines - which is something I think companies themselves are interested in for the money, given that the guidelines aren't unreasonable, or at least for the part I studied. I'm sure there's much more though
- mrtksn 1y agoEvery accusation is a confession is my favorite quote lately. Apart for immediately backed by evidence incidents, any projection of wrongdoing is just a way of saying "if I were in your position and had your abilities I would do that". Therefore, those who are in this position are definitely doing whatever they accuse others of. If you think about it, it makes a lot sense. Our human to human communications are actually rather rudimentary, we can't transfer much information. Instead, we all create a model of others based on our own ideas and experiences and whatever we think others are doing it is based on our own ideas.
- roenxi 1y agoAssuming that people in positions of power behave like an average human is a pretty good way of predicting what they will do. Maybe condition it a little on what they say if they are talking about concrete actions they plan to take. The challenge in politics isn't figuring out how people will abuse power, it is stopping them despite it being well understood what is about to happen. Nobody is surprised when it turns out gatherings of powerful people are nests of corruption and malevolence. Eg, if I talk about the "bone saw incident" it isn't ambiguous who I mean - but the major actors are still welcome in polite society. That is the quality of person we're dealing with in positions of power - slightly extreme example, but still acceptable by global standards.
- btreecat 1y agoThe weird and gross thing is when you apply this to all the people attacking trans folks with lies.
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- yapyap 1y agoI mean the same arguments are used for “free speech” and the reality is that the “free speech” the movement is arguing for is hate speech all the while at the same time trying to repress other free speech that goes against their ideals.
- peterfirefly 1y agoWhat is "hate speech" but speech that goes against someone's ideals?
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y agoPretending to not know the difference is stupid. We can't make murder illegal because there could be a time where you needed to defend yourself. I'm sure you can understand that nuance, but you suddenly become dumb when we talk about speaking instead of shooting?
- rayiner 1y agoIsn’t every AI injected with politics? Don’t they inject words like “diverse” into the prompts behind the scenes?
- yifanl 1y agoYes. This was the obvious path to monetization I predicted a year ago [1] I didn't predict that it'd be injecting ideology instead of brand names because that seemed way too lame, but that's my blindspot I guess. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465250#39469326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39465250#39469326
- rayiner 1y agoThe Ben Franklin thing was a brilliant idea!
- Fraterkes 1y agoI don't see how that is relevant, XAi is explicitly arguing that this was done against their will
- mktk1001 1y agoHow's asking AI to give diverse perspective political?
- rayiner 1y agoNo, it makes the AI generate artificial diversity into images and things. Until recently ChatGPT would generate multi-racial Nazis and stuff.
- fragmede 1y agoNo. Yes that did happen with Google's image generator, but that doesn't mean every single LLM has done so.
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