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This is why the EU is hitting apple and why the US needs to. Too many devs have their livelihood at the mercy of Apple's(and Google's) Damocles's sword. At lea

This is why the EU is hitting apple and why the US needs to. Too many devs have their livelihood at the mercy of Apple's(and Google's) Damocles's sword. At least with Google you can easily sideload. If even megacorpos like Epic have issues with Apple imagine what being an indie dev or small company will be like.

DanielHB 1y ago
Apple gets around this by saying they are "Promising to Create 30000 american jobs" which the politicians then peddle in their election campaigns. But then it never happens because it is all a promise... The politicians of course only care about the PR stunt and give them concessions either way.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  A youtuber did a dissection of all the big tech jobs Trump "created" with his talks with big tech, and all of the new US jobs announced by the likes of Apple or Nvidia were jobs they were planning to create anyway, before Trump got elected Trump is just taking credit for it as if he did anything. Job creation, retention or destruction is a powerful political tool that companies use everywhere as leverage to get politicians to do what they want. You can see the auto sector in Germany. So the US defending Apple is understandable. All countries protect their domestic big players.
bzzzt 1y ago
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- jillyboel 1y ago
  > Porn sites suing because Apple won't allow them to put apps in their store and that's costing them their livelihood Great example, actually. Why do you think it's okay for apple to unilaterally decide what more than a billion people are allowed to use their device for? Is it because you are projecting your own fears and insecurities on everyone else?
  - bzzzt 1y ago
    No, I just have the opinium "my house, my rules" is applicable for companies too. Build your own phone if you want to sell porn to people.
- benoau 1y ago
  Apple's guidelines pertaining to banning developers from linking to or communicating alternative payment methods were illegal. In the EU, in the US, now in Brazil too. What's next is the EU fines them harder and faster than ever if they continue breaking the law in about 30 - 40 days, Brazil too in about 90 days, while the criminal contempt referrals hopefully leads to charges and at least one jailed executive, and the developers suing for restitution for unwarranted fees since the injunction prohibited the above behavior prevail, and the consumers suing for restitution in the US and UK prevail, because Apple broke the law to get and maximize those fees yet testified they do nothing for them. And the DOJ antitrust later this year will feast on this.
  - bzzzt 1y ago
    > Apple's guidelines pertaining to banning developers from linking to or communicating alternative payment methods were illegal. If those guidelines were always clearly illegal, why has it taken decades to take Apple to court? I don't think they should be legal, but there are of a lot of other questionable licensing conditions that seem to be legal too so why all the focus on Apple? You have to be very naive to believe it's all about the law and there's nothing like some political power grab going on.
    - benoau 1y ago
      It’s taken six years since the EU investigated, leading to the DMA which took time to write then had a lengthy lead-in before it came into effect and the 1.8 billion anti-steering fine was incurred. Compliance is still “pending”, with contrived fees and scare walls and hardware restrictions against the EU’s wishes. And in that time there was the 2020 congressional investigation in the US and failed attempt at similar laws. Later this year the DOJ antitrust stemming from this investigation will finally commence. In 2021 the steering terms were ruled illegal in the US and it took three years to bounce back from the Supreme Court then another year for Apple’s noncompliance contempt to be measured. Part of their noncompliance has been dragging things out to the extent the judge recently made sure their ruling applied immediately, and delivered it before Apple even finished debating which amongst 10,000s of pages of evidence documents to provide or suppress. In that time the EU and DOJ have gone after Meta, Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft extensively too.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >you're just leeching of the effort Apple made to build their ecosystem. Since when is paying 30% of your earnings considered "leeching"? It's not like Apple gives their marketspace for free to the developers. They pay Apple for that, fair and square.

DanielHB 1y ago

Apple gets around this by saying they are "Promising to Create 30000 american jobs" which the politicians then peddle in their election campaigns. But then it never happens because it is all a promise... The politicians of course only care about the PR stunt and give them concessions either way.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
A youtuber did a dissection of all the big tech jobs Trump "created" with his talks with big tech, and all of the new US jobs announced by the likes of Apple or Nvidia were jobs they were planning to create anyway, before Trump got elected Trump is just taking credit for it as if he did anything. Job creation, retention or destruction is a powerful political tool that companies use everywhere as leverage to get politicians to do what they want. You can see the auto sector in Germany. So the US defending Apple is understandable. All countries protect their domestic big players.

bzzzt 1y ago

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jillyboel 1y ago
> Porn sites suing because Apple won't allow them to put apps in their store and that's costing them their livelihood Great example, actually. Why do you think it's okay for apple to unilaterally decide what more than a billion people are allowed to use their device for? Is it because you are projecting your own fears and insecurities on everyone else?
- bzzzt 1y ago
  No, I just have the opinium "my house, my rules" is applicable for companies too. Build your own phone if you want to sell porn to people.
benoau 1y ago
Apple's guidelines pertaining to banning developers from linking to or communicating alternative payment methods were illegal. In the EU, in the US, now in Brazil too. What's next is the EU fines them harder and faster than ever if they continue breaking the law in about 30 - 40 days, Brazil too in about 90 days, while the criminal contempt referrals hopefully leads to charges and at least one jailed executive, and the developers suing for restitution for unwarranted fees since the injunction prohibited the above behavior prevail, and the consumers suing for restitution in the US and UK prevail, because Apple broke the law to get and maximize those fees yet testified they do nothing for them. And the DOJ antitrust later this year will feast on this.
- bzzzt 1y ago
  > Apple's guidelines pertaining to banning developers from linking to or communicating alternative payment methods were illegal. If those guidelines were always clearly illegal, why has it taken decades to take Apple to court? I don't think they should be legal, but there are of a lot of other questionable licensing conditions that seem to be legal too so why all the focus on Apple? You have to be very naive to believe it's all about the law and there's nothing like some political power grab going on.
  - benoau 1y ago
    It’s taken six years since the EU investigated, leading to the DMA which took time to write then had a lengthy lead-in before it came into effect and the 1.8 billion anti-steering fine was incurred. Compliance is still “pending”, with contrived fees and scare walls and hardware restrictions against the EU’s wishes. And in that time there was the 2020 congressional investigation in the US and failed attempt at similar laws. Later this year the DOJ antitrust stemming from this investigation will finally commence. In 2021 the steering terms were ruled illegal in the US and it took three years to bounce back from the Supreme Court then another year for Apple’s noncompliance contempt to be measured. Part of their noncompliance has been dragging things out to the extent the judge recently made sure their ruling applied immediately, and delivered it before Apple even finished debating which amongst 10,000s of pages of evidence documents to provide or suppress. In that time the EU and DOJ have gone after Meta, Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft extensively too.
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>you're just leeching of the effort Apple made to build their ecosystem. Since when is paying 30% of your earnings considered "leeching"? It's not like Apple gives their marketspace for free to the developers. They pay Apple for that, fair and square.