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you're in a bubble. trust me out there 99% of Apple customers are not trying hide from NSO, PRISM, CIA or NSA and for regular people security and privacy is not

you're in a bubble. trust me out there 99% of Apple customers are not trying hide from NSO, PRISM, CIA or NSA and for regular people security and privacy is not about that. it's about having your bank app not being hacked or not being spied on by your ex with a hidden app. small things like that.

bigyabai 1y ago
You've missed my original point. People only care about the small things, not what actually make them secure. They accept whatever fear-du-jour is marketed to them ("Google spies on you!") and then surmises that Apple protects them. But[0] they[1] don't[2]. Apple actively neglects runtime security to justify their centralized entitlement service they sell to developers. And users don't care because, like you said, they never have. They don't respond to anything, besides what they are explicitly told is scary. This isn't about holding Apple to some arbitrarily high standard. It's about exposing just how apathetic their customer base truly is, something that has been documented by nearly every Apple enthusiast since the birth of the Mac. The "reality distortion field" we call marketing tenders more sales for Apple than any security investment they have ever made. Take a class in advertisement, I guarantee Apple is on the first-week syllabus. [0] https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-app-unprecedented-access-to-a-secret/302310 https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-... [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surveil-push-notifications/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surve... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-off-10-customers-because-they-abused-its-pegasus-spyware-say-unsealed-court-documents/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-o...
- throwaway290 1y ago
  You miss the point. What actually makes the difference secure is the basic things like not being able to install an app that steals your banking info. If the government is after you you are toast regardless of whether alt stores are allowed. Believe me none of the three letter agencies or companies mentioned care about the average joe. But that average joe is the one making apple money. So if company promising security and privacy promises cannot provide average joe security and privacy (often by saving him from his own choices by not allowing insecure behavior) it is very existential for it yes

bigyabai 1y ago

You've missed my original point. People only care about the small things, not what actually make them secure. They accept whatever fear-du-jour is marketed to them ("Google spies on you!") and then surmises that Apple protects them. But[0] they[1] don't[2]. Apple actively neglects runtime security to justify their centralized entitlement service they sell to developers. And users don't care because, like you said, they never have. They don't respond to anything, besides what they are explicitly told is scary. This isn't about holding Apple to some arbitrarily high standard. It's about exposing just how apathetic their customer base truly is, something that has been documented by nearly every Apple enthusiast since the birth of the Mac. The "reality distortion field" we call marketing tenders more sales for Apple than any security investment they have ever made. Take a class in advertisement, I guarantee Apple is on the first-week syllabus. [0] https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-app-unprecedented-access-to-a-secret/302310 https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/apple-gave-ubers-... [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surveil-push-notifications/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/06/apple-governments-surve... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-off-10-customers-because-they-abused-its-pegasus-spyware-say-unsealed-court-documents/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/15/nso-group-admits-cutting-o...

throwaway290 1y ago
You miss the point. What actually makes the difference secure is the basic things like not being able to install an app that steals your banking info. If the government is after you you are toast regardless of whether alt stores are allowed. Believe me none of the three letter agencies or companies mentioned care about the average joe. But that average joe is the one making apple money. So if company promising security and privacy promises cannot provide average joe security and privacy (often by saving him from his own choices by not allowing insecure behavior) it is very existential for it yes