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A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "featur

A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "feature" severely limits the usefulness of tags for tracking stolen items. Why not just sell some tags that don't alert everyone to their presence? Police and intelligence agencies have those already, so who are we protecting?

pavel_lishin 1y ago
Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  Like tags, locks are also deliberately encumbered so that locksmiths and law enforcement can easily defeat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ
  - somanyphotons 1y ago
    Are there people out there who sell locks that aren't purposefully bad?
    - itsanaccount 1y ago
      you ask great questions about power! and yes. though you'll generally find the lock isn't the interesting bit, reinforcing the door frame and door and putting pins at the top/bottom and side is how its done. otherwise 25 dollars at TSC for a fence post driver will make 95% of residential entryways irrelevant.
    - HenryBemis 1y ago
      People like Microsoft? https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28691191/Why-did-Microsoft-weaken-Bitlocker.html https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28691191/Why-did-... EDIT: Like in the hotels, you got a key for your room, but the hotel management has a "passpartout" key (for back in the day when we had physical keys). The phrase "<thing> must accept interference, but not cause any". So you/we must be able to receive the 'punch' and not resist.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    That video makes no suggestion that the locks have been deliberately sabotaged. The theory in the video is nothing more than that the company is incompetent at making locks.
- tedunangst 1y ago
  Locks keep the dyslexic realtor from showing my house to people interested in the neighboring property.
  - ruined 1y ago
    yeah, but they do nothing to stop a locksmith in a fugue state from rekeying all the bolts to match the neighboring property and vice-versa, and then the realtor can walk right in, and you're locked out! so it's better to just leave the door open.
    - amazingamazing 1y ago
      You’re proving the other persons point - the reason why the a thief doesn’t trivially pick locks isn’t because of the lock, it’s because it’s illegal and there’s a consequence.
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        Yes it's illegal and there's a consequence but do you care about it after you've been robbed?
        amazingamazing 1y ago
        You could say the same with a lock. Do you care once it’s broken?
        throwaway290 1y ago
        The point of a lock is that it's something to break. That takes skill and visible equipment. The more skill yoo require the more likely the smart guy would do better things to earn money than crime. the more visible equipment the easier it is to track.
      - ruined 1y ago
        consequences for doing something illegal never stopped me from picking a lock, actually. they've only stopped me from stealing
1shooner 1y ago
> Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? I assume because it's a network that relies on its reputation among participating nodes to trust it will not be used to track them involuntarily, else they would opt out and collapse the network.
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  On a related topic, I've opted out of Google's BLE tracking/repeating feature. Apple provides no way to do this. The extra battery drain is significant and measurable, and I did not sign up for this when I purchased my devices. https://support.google.com/android/thread/284190689/how-to-opt-out-from-participating-in-the-find-my-device-network https://support.google.com/android/thread/284190689/how-to-o...
  - WatchDog 1y ago
    You can disable it on iPhone by: Go to: Settings → your name → Find My → Find My iPhone Toggle “Find My network” → OFF It should be noted that this will also disable your ability to find your own airtags.
    - anonymousiam 1y ago
      Turning this off doesn't necessarily stop your phone from participating in the "Find My" network, it just prevents your items from being seen. Your phone will continue to relay BLE/UWB traffic for others, and run down your battery more quickly. Turning off Bluetooth seems to disable the traffic, but then you can no longer access your local Bluetooth devices.
      - gruez 1y ago
        >Turning this off doesn't necessarily stop your phone from participating in the "Find My" network, it just prevents your items from being seen. Your phone will continue to relay BLE/UWB traffic for others, [...] Source?
      - 1y ago

pavel_lishin 1y ago

Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?

anonymousiam 1y ago
Like tags, locks are also deliberately encumbered so that locksmiths and law enforcement can easily defeat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ
- somanyphotons 1y ago
  Are there people out there who sell locks that aren't purposefully bad?
  - itsanaccount 1y ago
    you ask great questions about power! and yes. though you'll generally find the lock isn't the interesting bit, reinforcing the door frame and door and putting pins at the top/bottom and side is how its done. otherwise 25 dollars at TSC for a fence post driver will make 95% of residential entryways irrelevant.
  - HenryBemis 1y ago
    People like Microsoft? https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28691191/Why-did-Microsoft-weaken-Bitlocker.html https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28691191/Why-did-... EDIT: Like in the hotels, you got a key for your room, but the hotel management has a "passpartout" key (for back in the day when we had physical keys). The phrase "<thing> must accept interference, but not cause any". So you/we must be able to receive the 'punch' and not resist.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  That video makes no suggestion that the locks have been deliberately sabotaged. The theory in the video is nothing more than that the company is incompetent at making locks.
tedunangst 1y ago
Locks keep the dyslexic realtor from showing my house to people interested in the neighboring property.
- ruined 1y ago
  yeah, but they do nothing to stop a locksmith in a fugue state from rekeying all the bolts to match the neighboring property and vice-versa, and then the realtor can walk right in, and you're locked out! so it's better to just leave the door open.
  - amazingamazing 1y ago
    You’re proving the other persons point - the reason why the a thief doesn’t trivially pick locks isn’t because of the lock, it’s because it’s illegal and there’s a consequence.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      Yes it's illegal and there's a consequence but do you care about it after you've been robbed?
      - amazingamazing 1y ago
        You could say the same with a lock. Do you care once it’s broken?
        throwaway290 1y ago
        The point of a lock is that it's something to break. That takes skill and visible equipment. The more skill yoo require the more likely the smart guy would do better things to earn money than crime. the more visible equipment the easier it is to track.
    - ruined 1y ago
      consequences for doing something illegal never stopped me from picking a lock, actually. they've only stopped me from stealing

1shooner 1y ago

> Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? I assume because it's a network that relies on its reputation among participating nodes to trust it will not be used to track them involuntarily, else they would opt out and collapse the network.

anonymousiam 1y ago
On a related topic, I've opted out of Google's BLE tracking/repeating feature. Apple provides no way to do this. The extra battery drain is significant and measurable, and I did not sign up for this when I purchased my devices. https://support.google.com/android/thread/284190689/how-to-opt-out-from-participating-in-the-find-my-device-network https://support.google.com/android/thread/284190689/how-to-o...
- WatchDog 1y ago
  You can disable it on iPhone by: Go to: Settings → your name → Find My → Find My iPhone Toggle “Find My network” → OFF It should be noted that this will also disable your ability to find your own airtags.
  - anonymousiam 1y ago
    Turning this off doesn't necessarily stop your phone from participating in the "Find My" network, it just prevents your items from being seen. Your phone will continue to relay BLE/UWB traffic for others, and run down your battery more quickly. Turning off Bluetooth seems to disable the traffic, but then you can no longer access your local Bluetooth devices.
    - gruez 1y ago
      >Turning this off doesn't necessarily stop your phone from participating in the "Find My" network, it just prevents your items from being seen. Your phone will continue to relay BLE/UWB traffic for others, [...] Source?
    - 1y ago