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- frankfrank13 1y ago[flagged]
- foxglacier 1y agoIf you're being pedantic, babies usually never die - they transform into an adult which is the form that dies.
- blacksmith_tb 1y agoTypically yes? But surviving infancy is the first step on the road to immortality (but that will require more than CRISPR... probably?)
- 331c8c71 1y agoImmortality? (rolleyes)
- bigs 1y agoHopefully after living a long and fulfilling life? Geez
- morepedantic 1y agoEdgy! No one has ever considered the mortality of their children ever, or contemplated the difference between death before and after the realization of potential. Wow!
- efilife 1y agoGenuinely don't know why this is edgy. I was trying to understand his logic
- cluse 1y agoHaving a child predecease you is one of the worst things that can happen to a person in general. This is a common sentiment in humans. The strange thing is that you mentioned you're trying to follow "logic." This is not logic. These are emotions.
- efilife 1y agoI understand this. My question arose from the fact that it seems like he only cares about the child dying before him, not the child's death overall. It was > the idea of being told my 1 week old baby is going to die not > the idea of my child dying
- viewtransform 1y ago"I am simply a machine. I do not experience death as humans do. It is just a cessation of function." - Data in Star Trek The Next Generation,
- philsnow 1y agoIt’s less of > my baby is going to die, woe is me and more of > have I failed my baby so much as a parent that he won’t even grow to adulthood (much less have a wonderful, happy life) It’s not exactly a rational feeling; it’s not like this baby was going to die through lack of parental effort or care or anything else that the parents have any real control over, so it’s not like they could have done anything differently. Nonetheless, it can make you feel like an utter failure of a parent. To some people (I admit, not everybody), that is absolutely crushing.
- morepedantic 1y ago>It’s not exactly a rational feeling It only looks irrational if you don't understand what people and feelings are.
- bloomingeek 1y agoNot only a hurtful question, but a stupid one as well. Well done.
- efilife 1y agoCare to explain why it is stupid? And what's hurtful about it, too? Deciding on a child, you KNOW it's going to day at some point
- tombert 1y agoI don't really know what you're going on about? We're all going to die, we all know that that's going to happen, but none of us want to suffer and most of us would like to live relatively long lives. I am not a parent but I think if I did have a kid I would try everything I could to keep my child alive and minimize pain in my child's life.
- koala_man 1y ago[flagged]
- efilife 1y ago[flagged]
- ecshafer 1y ago[flagged]
- efilife 1y ago[flagged]
- tombert 1y agoA parent's obligation is to try and do everything they can to make their child's life good. I think most people would agree that living more than a week is a good thing.
- seandoe 1y agoYes. Yes it is.
- Sabinus 1y agoThe medical profession allocates scarce resources based on the amount of quality-adjusted life years it will bring. Humans see value in living life, so cutting a life short is worse than a life that would be ending soon anyway.
- ecshafer 1y agoYou are trying to frame this as pure “logic” but if you had read a single book on ethics or even philosophy you would see that’s not the case. You are basically asking “but why is good better than bad?” Acting as if you are logical but failing basic premises of logic or ethics. Any ethical framework is going to have axioms, typicslly these axioms are things that are inarguable for any person, namely its better to live than die, or to reduce suffering, etc. using basically any ethics system and pure logic you will quickly reach a conclusion that a baby living is better than one dying. This really has nothing to do with the inevitability of death. Death is inevitable, however there is a difference between a child dying and an elderly person dying. A child has potential, they have not lived their lives. A child has not actually lived the full basic human experience, they havent had a crush, or fallen in love or married or had children or had any great successes or failures or close friends or anything, these things everyone does. An older person has, they are not a pure soul who hasnt experienced life. After 70 years you can be sad for the individual passing but happy that they have experienced life. This is why when a parent has a child they arent sad that their child will die in 80 years, but are devasted if they die at a week. The child never even had a chance. When you actually have a child, its an emotional and fulfilling experience, and to have that torn out so early is damaging. From an empathy and emotional pov these things are so extemely basic and foundational aspects of being a human, a 10 year old from any culture on earth can undersrand this with no difficulty. And any person with even a passing familiarty with logic, ethics or philosophy will dismiss you as being earnest. Which is why people are assuming you are a troll.
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- efilife 1y agocan you tell me which rule the comment broke?
- tomhow 1y agoI suggested a few that covered your multiple comments in the subthread, and also people who are sincere about using HN in accordance with the guidelines and the site's intended purpose have a way of demonstrating it through their actions. If you want to contribute here, please make an effort to be a positive contributor.
- efilife 1y ago> I suggested a few that covered your multiple comments in the subthread I genuinely can't link any of these to any of my comments, that's why I'm asking. I reread those a couple of times. I really think I've been polite, and I really tried to be, even when called "beteft of humanity", "earnest" and accused of trolling. I did not insult anybody, didn't want to and I certainly didn't want to bring anyone down. I just asked a question that seemed (and still seems) logical to me, only to get shutdown by mass flagging, now by removal of the comment with no real explanation what rules I broke and why I was negative