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The tactics of the Putin regime are getting more concerning every day. In case anyone is curious, here's the backstory on the protest Kasparov was attending at

The tactics of the Putin regime are getting more concerning every day. In case anyone is curious, here's the backstory on the protest Kasparov was attending at the time: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/17/pussy-riot-sentenced-prison-putin http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/17/pussy-riot-sente... [EDIT] Here's a link to the BBC for background, for those that don't like the Guardian: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19302986 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19302986

skylan_q 14y ago
Sorry, but why is it taken for granted that The Guardian is telling the truth about everything?
- _delirium 14y ago
  Do you have any suspicions about this particular article, or is it just a generic/offtopic attack on a newspaper you don't like? It seems to just be reporting fairly basic facts.
  - skylan_q 14y ago
    These major "news" outlets got their information on Syria all from one guy who sat in his apartment in London. How can we grant them credibility? Also, here's a link to an article that actually draws from a Russian article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/07/31/what-do-russians-think-about-pussy-riot-the-answer-might-surprise-you/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/07/31/what-do-... Good to get some news about Russia from something that isn't a conglomerate of media corps that is funded/protected by political interests that have a bone to pick with the current Russian regime. ;) (that is, news from russia)
    - jeffool 14y ago
      You completely failed to address his question. The article made no large claims? And the article you linked points to numbers saying that the large majority (74%) of Russians say the punishment should be "time served" (or, "let them serve a few months, starting from their arrest on May 6th"). And 63% say less than that. Only 26% of people thought they should be imprisoned longer. I honestly think you'd find people in the US that would this kind of punishment if you threw a punk rock protest in the middle of a large church. So while it seems like you're suggesting (without saying anything) that the idea that these people shouldn't be kept in prison is some Western pushed ideology in some attempt to unseat Putin or attack his legitimacy... It's a pretty common opinion. Held by the majority of Russians. At least, that's what your linked article said... (And that's not even taking up my issue with Forbes.)
      - jongleur 14y ago
        So 137% say a few months or less?
        jeffool 14y ago
        I should've said "time served, or less". Forgive my egregious error.
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- ktizo 14y ago
  Oh, hadn't you heard? There was a memo. New policy, started today, just after tea.
- mbreese 14y ago
  CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/europe/russia-pussy-riot-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/europe/russia-pussy-... NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/europe/suspense-ahead-of-verdict-for-jailed-russian-punk-band.html?_r=1&hp http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/europe/suspense-ahea... Many others: http://news.google.com/?q=pussy%20riot http://news.google.com/?q=pussy%20riot
old-gregg 14y ago
Quite amusing to see the word "regime" used so casually and self-righteously. As much as you may dislike Putin, I bet he's got more popular votes than Obama did, just visit an average Russian town 50 miles outside of Moscow and ask around. As a Russian I know first hand things aren't rosy, but they aren't so simplistic and cartoonishly evil as western media and comments on HN portray.
- incosta 14y ago
  And as a Russian I think you better shut up in this case. Things are'nt rosy for Putin indeed. And they're not as simplistic. I guess to make them simpler he got himself back in the office by rigging the vote and then by beating and arresting those who protest, Kasparov included?
  - mladenkovacevic 14y ago
    And can I ask you something as a lover of irony: do you think he should shut up because he doesn't seem to value free-speech as much as you do?
    - incosta 14y ago
      No, because what he said was a lie. And he knows it.
      - old-gregg 14y ago
        > And he knows it. Ahhr... you caught me! I am being paid by the KGB for deliberately spreading misinformation on the Internet, recruit boy scouts into the Komsomol and paint Ulysses Grant's beard in black to make him look like Karl Marx on every $50 bill I get a hold of.
        incosta 14y ago
        Paid or not, you do know that it's not possible to compare Obama and Putin in terms of popularity. Putin has been covered by all major channels in Russia exclusively for last 12 years, every single day. It's also not possible technically because he made a mockery of the elections process, and even then had to rig the vote. You also know that your claim about his popularity among Russians outside of Moscow is bogus but hardly verifiable to most people on HN: but he's just as disliked there as he is in Moscow. Don't portray Russian people as fools: they are not. And your talk about things not being so simple: how familiar. They are simple, my friend: Putin violated Russia's own laws including the Constitution, when he ran for the 3rd time, and he should not be the president, no matter how big you think his popularity is. He wants to rule forever? He will end up as a dictator. Simple as that.

skylan_q 14y ago

Sorry, but why is it taken for granted that The Guardian is telling the truth about everything?

_delirium 14y ago
Do you have any suspicions about this particular article, or is it just a generic/offtopic attack on a newspaper you don't like? It seems to just be reporting fairly basic facts.
- skylan_q 14y ago
  These major "news" outlets got their information on Syria all from one guy who sat in his apartment in London. How can we grant them credibility? Also, here's a link to an article that actually draws from a Russian article. http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/07/31/what-do-russians-think-about-pussy-riot-the-answer-might-surprise-you/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/07/31/what-do-... Good to get some news about Russia from something that isn't a conglomerate of media corps that is funded/protected by political interests that have a bone to pick with the current Russian regime. ;) (that is, news from russia)
  - jeffool 14y ago
    You completely failed to address his question. The article made no large claims? And the article you linked points to numbers saying that the large majority (74%) of Russians say the punishment should be "time served" (or, "let them serve a few months, starting from their arrest on May 6th"). And 63% say less than that. Only 26% of people thought they should be imprisoned longer. I honestly think you'd find people in the US that would this kind of punishment if you threw a punk rock protest in the middle of a large church. So while it seems like you're suggesting (without saying anything) that the idea that these people shouldn't be kept in prison is some Western pushed ideology in some attempt to unseat Putin or attack his legitimacy... It's a pretty common opinion. Held by the majority of Russians. At least, that's what your linked article said... (And that's not even taking up my issue with Forbes.)
    - jongleur 14y ago
      So 137% say a few months or less?
      - jeffool 14y ago
        I should've said "time served, or less". Forgive my egregious error.
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ktizo 14y ago
Oh, hadn't you heard? There was a memo. New policy, started today, just after tea.
mbreese 14y ago
CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/europe/russia-pussy-riot-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/world/europe/russia-pussy-... NYTimes http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/europe/suspense-ahead-of-verdict-for-jailed-russian-punk-band.html?_r=1&hp http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/europe/suspense-ahea... Many others: http://news.google.com/?q=pussy%20riot http://news.google.com/?q=pussy%20riot

old-gregg 14y ago

Quite amusing to see the word "regime" used so casually and self-righteously. As much as you may dislike Putin, I bet he's got more popular votes than Obama did, just visit an average Russian town 50 miles outside of Moscow and ask around. As a Russian I know first hand things aren't rosy, but they aren't so simplistic and cartoonishly evil as western media and comments on HN portray.

incosta 14y ago
And as a Russian I think you better shut up in this case. Things are'nt rosy for Putin indeed. And they're not as simplistic. I guess to make them simpler he got himself back in the office by rigging the vote and then by beating and arresting those who protest, Kasparov included?
- mladenkovacevic 14y ago
  And can I ask you something as a lover of irony: do you think he should shut up because he doesn't seem to value free-speech as much as you do?
  - incosta 14y ago
    No, because what he said was a lie. And he knows it.
    - old-gregg 14y ago
      > And he knows it. Ahhr... you caught me! I am being paid by the KGB for deliberately spreading misinformation on the Internet, recruit boy scouts into the Komsomol and paint Ulysses Grant's beard in black to make him look like Karl Marx on every $50 bill I get a hold of.
      - incosta 14y ago
        Paid or not, you do know that it's not possible to compare Obama and Putin in terms of popularity. Putin has been covered by all major channels in Russia exclusively for last 12 years, every single day. It's also not possible technically because he made a mockery of the elections process, and even then had to rig the vote. You also know that your claim about his popularity among Russians outside of Moscow is bogus but hardly verifiable to most people on HN: but he's just as disliked there as he is in Moscow. Don't portray Russian people as fools: they are not. And your talk about things not being so simple: how familiar. They are simple, my friend: Putin violated Russia's own laws including the Constitution, when he ran for the 3rd time, and he should not be the president, no matter how big you think his popularity is. He wants to rule forever? He will end up as a dictator. Simple as that.