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I think class warfare will get the working class further than whatever is being done at the moment honestly.
by yapyap 1y ago
I think class warfare will get the working class further than whatever is being done at the moment honestly.
- FredPret 1y ago...why? How? Have you seen any history at all? This has never worked. Cohesive, trusting societies get much further than ones that are at war with themselves. Even so, cohesion and trust are nice-to-haves. Tech progress and GDP growth has meant that the world's poor live better lives, decade after decade, for many centuries now.
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- uoaei 1y agoCohesive trusting societies are borne out of the struggle to dethrone oligarchs and lords.
- apercu 1y agoI don’t think he working class started the war so if the working class stops the class war doesn’t end.
- FredPret 1y agoPeople advocating for their interests isn't warfare. I assure you there are virtually no rich people cackling, monocles and cigars in place, over the fate of the poor. When the working class unionizes or vote for more rights, this isn't warfare - as long as it's fair-minded and pragmatic rather than idealogical. The same goes for the rich. Regarding people with other backgrounds and interests as evil sociopaths / socialists is where the problem comes in.
- test098 1y ago> People advocating for their interests isn't warfare. When those interests come at the expense/lives of other people, it is [1] [2]. > I assure you there are virtually no rich people cackling, monocles and cigars in place, over the fate of the poor. Correct, their theatrics are even dumber than that [3]. --- [1] "House Republicans Push Forward Plan to Cut Taxes, Medicaid and Food Aid" - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/us/politics/congress-tax-medicaid.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/us/politics/congress-tax-... [2] "Sanders on GOP Medicaid cuts: ‘Thousands and thousands of low-income and working people will die’" - https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5302085-bernie-sanders-republican-medicaid-cuts/ https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5302085-bernie-sanders-r... [3] "Musk waves a chainsaw and charms conservatives talking up Trump’s cost-cutting efforts" - https://apnews.com/article/musk-chainsaw-trump-doge-6568e9e0cfc42ad6cdcfd58a409eb312 https://apnews.com/article/musk-chainsaw-trump-doge-6568e9e0...
- FredPret 1y agoMusk waving a chainsaw is one out of many hundreds of millions of rich people. And there's reason to believe that he believes he's doing something that's good for society in the long run, even if you disagree with him.
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- yndoendo 1y agoEmpathy is intelligence, a void of empathy is lack of intelligence. Empathy is the only means to "put your self in someone else's shoes". I would also classify narcissism as a void of intelligence, they cannot be honest with others and themselves. They always must be right and know everything when they are wrong and know nothing about the subject. Lacking empathy and being a narcissist does not benefit society, only one's self interests. That is billionaire, not millionaire, Elon Musk. He is just selling the idea of "doing something good" to improve his self interests. How many charities does he fund? How much of with wealth goes to studying the eradication of disease like cancer or parkinson's? But don't worry, his statement from 2014 about full self driving cars are just around the corner and will help humanity reach it's peak. Just like traveling to Mars. /s His actions actually harm society. Hungry children have reduced mental capabilities to advance in school and their futures. He choose to actively harm future generations and those he doesn't deem worthy.
- piva00 1y ago> Tech progress and GDP growth has meant that the world's poor live better lives, decade after decade, for many centuries now. Every single time during the leaps of technology that brought tech progress and GDP growth there needed to be some kind of workers' revolt or the threat of it to actualise poors living better lives. Every leap in progress of systemic quality of life for workers came through class war: revolts, general strikes, mass protest, organized labour, etc. Why do you think now it's different?
- WalterBright 1y agoThere was no workers' revolt in the 19th century US, but the lives of the poor across the board pulled scores of millions in poverty into the middle class and beyond. The common thread of workers' lives improving is free markets, not revolts.
- vharuck 1y agoThere was the Homestead Strike in 1892, during which 9 people died. The Pinkerton Detective Agency, which "handled" the strike for Carnegie, is notorious for violently busting strikes in the 19th century US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike
- WalterBright 1y agoAnd how many workers did that affect vs the population of the country?
- test098 1y agoIt was the beginning of a movement which affects all workers in the US today, so... 100%.
- WalterBright 1y agoToday is 125 years after the close of the 19th century.
- test098 1y agoYou should maybe read about the history of the US labor movement to understand how and why we have good working conditions: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/theminewars-labor-wars-us/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/themine...
- FredPret 1y agoWe have good working conditions mainly because we can now afford them. Do you think poor people didn't get upset / rebellious in centuries and millennia past? The difference now is that we have the GDP and tech to support much cushier lives for vast numbers of people.
- biophysboy 1y agoTechnology increases the size of the pie, but it is always possible to make the distribution of slices extremely unequal. More gdp and tech does not guarantee a better quality of life, as many countries today demonstrate.
- FredPret 1y agoName such a country and then also explore that country's economic history over the past 200 years. I think you'll be hard pressed to find one where life hasn't gotten vastly better.
- biophysboy 1y agoHaiti
- kjkjadksj 1y agoFrench revolution worked pretty well for the working class
- s1artibartfast 1y agoI cant tell if that is sarcasm or not. It was characterized by mass dysfunction and devolved into a dictatorship within 5 years, and 10 years of global war as France tried to fund populist mistakes by pillaging foreign countries, a million French deaths, and maybe 4 million foreign deaths, not to mention mass wounded, starvation, and hardship.
- _gpvn 1y agoAnd by the end of all that, they had a king again. Their efforts were all for nothing.
- wqaatwt 1y agoIt was more of a middle class thing. It kind of worked kind of relatively well for them. When the French Kingdom was reestablished after Napoleon it was run by bankers and not nobles..
- Gud 1y agoIt has worked in many, many places.
- alganet 1y agoWarfare is dumb. The class struggle is a perspective. It points to how blind rich people are to social issues, and how blind the poor are to economic issues. These two need the struggle, gently. Without it, there is either bloody revolution or cruel autocracy. That's as simple as it gets. Many people get it wrong.
- apercu 1y agoI assure you that poor people are not universally blind to economic issues. lol.
- alganet 1y agoThat's the least important part of my statement. There is a struggle between those who have power and those who don't. This displacement creates blind spots, and also vantage points.
- lawlessone 1y agopoor people can't afford to be blind to economic issues. Rich people have more leeway there.
- alganet 1y agoDo you consider yourself blind to economic issues? Rich or poor? Straight question.
- johnisgood 1y agoI am poor, and if I am blind to economic issues, I will be worse off. I need to be frugal. I need to keep track of the things I am paying. I need to ask myself before each purchase: do I really need it? And so forth... Sure, many poor people might still gamble away their money, or buy stuff they cannot afford, but humans are being humans.