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Hi from London: The centre is much more pleasant to walk in, as are most places in the zone. Pollution is much, much better: if you came to London and travell
by stuaxo 1y ago
Hi from London:
The centre is much more pleasant to walk in, as are most places in the zone.
Pollution is much, much better: if you came to London and travelled on the underground you would have black snot when you blew your nose, this hasn't been the case for a few years now.
I hope NY gets the sake improvements.
- walthamstow 1y agoLondon has changed for the better for sure but black snot on the tube hasn't changed at all. I get it from 20 minutes on any deep line like the Victoria. It's from train brake dust, nothing to do with vehicle emissions.
- lazide 1y agoThe Tube has a real ventilation issue - not just the brake dust, but also temps and staleness. Some of those lines, it’s like a 24/7 sauna!
- walthamstow 1y agoI think I read that the warmth from people and braking has baked some of the clay earth around the tunnels, making them even more insulative!
- azath92 1y agoBecause of how old they are there is some really interesting long term data as the earth itself around the tunnels reaches a new thermal equilibrium. In looking for a source, i found a good wikipedia article on tube temp in general. These comments and the article made me see how much of it is/was due to braking. TIL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_cooling
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- porjo 1y agoHa, I happened upon an interesting video earlier today on this topic! https://youtu.be/4MzHt_YLnjw https://youtu.be/4MzHt_YLnjw
- PaulRobinson 1y agoVictoria might be one of the worst for this. You can hear the wheels screaming the abrasion off for long sections of it. It’ll be interesting to see whether the Piccadilly gets better for you when the new trains arrive over the next couple of years.
- walthamstow 1y agoI think the screeching is because the section from Highbury to Blackhorse is one massive right hook that the trains take at an uncompromising speed.
- jampekka 1y agoTravel of low-income people also declined significantly while high-income travel did not. So quite literally the London congestion pricing got the poor off the zones. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03611981221138801 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03611981221138801
- pirate787 1y agoFrom the report: "the highest income earners contributed to more of the revenue than the lowest income earners, making the scheme progressive in the scale of its equity impact" It is quite likely that the lower income users are mostly retired people, and students, and they shouldn't be crowding the system at peak times unless willing to pay.
- jampekka 1y agoIf you price out low-income people, you do get relatively more revenue from high-income earners. But the low-income people also get less service. The non-charge eligible trips of the low earners declined as well. The paper did not differentiate between sources of income, and I'm not sure how relevant that is. So the "poor off the zones" stands. Of course it's a matter of opinion whether this is desirable or not. The paper is available without paywall here: https://www.mit.edu/~hamsa/pubs/Craik-Balakrishnan-TRR2022.pdf https://www.mit.edu/~hamsa/pubs/Craik-Balakrishnan-TRR2022.p...
- chgs 1y agoA retired millionaire living off savings will be counted as a “low income” person unlike than a working person on 50k paying 20k a year in rent. I treat “income” with a healthy dose of salt
- nmeofthestate 1y agoHow would limiting access by adding a cost not obviously impact people differently based on their income? I'm struggling to see why this would even need to be verified by research.
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