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Subjectively the "getting lost" feels totally different than human conversations. Once there is something bad in the context it seems almost impossible to get b

Subjectively the "getting lost" feels totally different than human conversations. Once there is something bad in the context it seems almost impossible to get back on track. All subsequent responses become get a lot worse and it starts contradicting itself. It is possible that with more training this problem can be improved, but what is interesting to me isn't it's worse than humans in this way but that this sort of difficulty scales differently than it does in humans. I would love to get some more objective descriptions of these subjective notions.

alganet 1y ago
Contradictions are normal. Humans make them all the time. They're even easy to induce, due to the simplistic nature of our communication (lots of ambiguities, semantic disputes, etc). I don't see how that's a problem. Subjectivity is part of human communication.
- westurner 1y ago
  Algorithmic convergence and caching :: Consensus in conversational human communication
  - alganet 1y ago
    Any sufficiently large amount of information exchange could be interpreted as computational if you see it as separated parts. It doesn't mean that it is intrinsically computational. Seeing human interactions as computer-like is a side effect of our most recent shiny toy. In the last century, people saw everything as gears and pulleys. All of these perspectives are essentially the same reductionist thinking, recycled over and over again. We've seen men promising that they would build a gear-man, resurrect the dead with electricity, and all sorts of (now) crazy talk. People believed it for some time.
    - westurner 1y ago
      If data integrity is assured, and thus there is no change in the data to store/transfer, then that's the opposite of computationally transforming the data? How do we see robot and AI and helping interactions in film and tv and games? A curated list of films for consideration: Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" or "The Modern Prometheus" (1818), Metropolis (1927), I\, Robot (1940-1950; Three Laws of Robotics, robopsychology), Macy Conferences (1941-1960; Cybernetics), Tobor the Great (1954), Here Comes Tobor (1956), Jetsons' maid's name: Rosie (1962), Lost in Space (1965), 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), THX 1138 (1971), Star Wars (1977), Terminator (1984), Driving Miss Daisy (1989), Edward Scissorhands (1990), Flubber (1997, 1961), Futurama (TV, 1999-), Star Wars: Phantom Menace (1999), The Iron Giant (1999), Bicentennial Man (1999), A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001), Minority Report (2003), I\, Robot (2004), Team America: World Police (2004), Wall-E (2008), Iron Man (2008), Eagle Eye (2008), Moon (2009), Surrogates (2009), Tron: Legacy (2010), Hugo (2011), Django Unchained (2012), Her (2013), Transcendence (2014), Chappie (2015), Tomorrowland (2015), The Wild Robot (2016, 2024), Ghost in the Shell (2017), Giant f robots: Gundam (1979), Transformers (TV: 1984-1987, 2007-), Voltron (1984-1985), MechWarrior (1989), Matrix II: Revolutions (2003), Avatar (2009, 2022, 2025), Pacific Rim (2013-), RoboCop (1987, 2014), Edge of Tomorrow (2014), ~AI vehicle: Herbie, The Love Bug (1968-), Knight Rider (TV, 1982-1986), Thunder in Paradise (TV, 1993-95), Heat Vision and Jack (1999), Transformers (2007), Bumblebee (2018) Games: Portal (2007), LEGO Bricktales (2022), While True: learn() (2018), "NPC" Non-Player Character Category:Films_about_artificial_intelligence : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_artificial_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_artificia... List of artificial intelligence films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_intelligence_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_intelligenc... Category:Films_about_robots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_robots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_robots Category:American_robot_films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_robot_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_robot_films

alganet 1y ago

Contradictions are normal. Humans make them all the time. They're even easy to induce, due to the simplistic nature of our communication (lots of ambiguities, semantic disputes, etc). I don't see how that's a problem. Subjectivity is part of human communication.

westurner 1y ago
Algorithmic convergence and caching :: Consensus in conversational human communication
- alganet 1y ago
  Any sufficiently large amount of information exchange could be interpreted as computational if you see it as separated parts. It doesn't mean that it is intrinsically computational. Seeing human interactions as computer-like is a side effect of our most recent shiny toy. In the last century, people saw everything as gears and pulleys. All of these perspectives are essentially the same reductionist thinking, recycled over and over again. We've seen men promising that they would build a gear-man, resurrect the dead with electricity, and all sorts of (now) crazy talk. People believed it for some time.
  - westurner 1y ago
    If data integrity is assured, and thus there is no change in the data to store/transfer, then that's the opposite of computationally transforming the data? How do we see robot and AI and helping interactions in film and tv and games? A curated list of films for consideration: Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" or "The Modern Prometheus" (1818), Metropolis (1927), I\, Robot (1940-1950; Three Laws of Robotics, robopsychology), Macy Conferences (1941-1960; Cybernetics), Tobor the Great (1954), Here Comes Tobor (1956), Jetsons' maid's name: Rosie (1962), Lost in Space (1965), 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), THX 1138 (1971), Star Wars (1977), Terminator (1984), Driving Miss Daisy (1989), Edward Scissorhands (1990), Flubber (1997, 1961), Futurama (TV, 1999-), Star Wars: Phantom Menace (1999), The Iron Giant (1999), Bicentennial Man (1999), A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001), Minority Report (2003), I\, Robot (2004), Team America: World Police (2004), Wall-E (2008), Iron Man (2008), Eagle Eye (2008), Moon (2009), Surrogates (2009), Tron: Legacy (2010), Hugo (2011), Django Unchained (2012), Her (2013), Transcendence (2014), Chappie (2015), Tomorrowland (2015), The Wild Robot (2016, 2024), Ghost in the Shell (2017), Giant f robots: Gundam (1979), Transformers (TV: 1984-1987, 2007-), Voltron (1984-1985), MechWarrior (1989), Matrix II: Revolutions (2003), Avatar (2009, 2022, 2025), Pacific Rim (2013-), RoboCop (1987, 2014), Edge of Tomorrow (2014), ~AI vehicle: Herbie, The Love Bug (1968-), Knight Rider (TV, 1982-1986), Thunder in Paradise (TV, 1993-95), Heat Vision and Jack (1999), Transformers (2007), Bumblebee (2018) Games: Portal (2007), LEGO Bricktales (2022), While True: learn() (2018), "NPC" Non-Player Character Category:Films_about_artificial_intelligence : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_artificial_intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_artificia... List of artificial intelligence films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_intelligence_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_intelligenc... Category:Films_about_robots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_robots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_robots Category:American_robot_films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_robot_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_robot_films