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Car drivers are very routinely punished for running red lights. That is far less common than cyclists doing it.

jcranmer 1y ago
I have seen as many car drivers punished for running a red light as I have seen cyclists running one--zero in both cases. Enforcement of traffic laws is painfully lax.
- RhysU 1y ago
  Automatic cameras send tickets for cars running redlights in NYC: https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-violations.page# https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-v...
wpm 1y ago
Yes, a $100 ticket or whatever, horrible punishment.
- kortilla 1y ago
  It ends up being several hundred dollars in California and adds a point to your license (too many causes suspension).
  - wpm 1y ago
    Oh my that sounds horrific...
rangestransform 1y ago
Not in NYC, I’ve seen 2 blatant and intentional red light runners this year so far
sebstefan 1y ago
"Cyclists Break Far Fewer Road Rules Than Motorists, Finds New Video Study" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists...) Perhaps if there is a no bikelanes and cyclists are bothering you on the sidewalk you should walk in the middle of the road, as the real danger is bikes, right?
- FergusArgyll 1y ago
  > Most content on Forbes.com is written by contributors or "Senior Contributors" with minimal editorial oversight, and is generally unreliable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
  - sebstefan 1y ago
    They're just quoting a danish government report Googling it, I found a second one in London with the same methods (surveying CCTV footage of multiple intersections) and they get the same findings In both: - Motorists break way more traffic laws - Motorists mainly break the law for speed or convenience - The infractions by motorists are generally more serious and pose a threat to others (the main one is speeding) - The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane - The second one is turning right on red without causing inconvenience to other road users https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights.pdf https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights... For the danish government report unfortunately they moved it and I can't find it anymore http://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2019-05/Cyklisters%20adf%C3%A6rd%20i%20kryds.pdf http://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2019-05/Cy...
    - RhysU 1y ago
      > the main one is speeding Speeding mildly is usually a consequence of stupidly low speed limits. Unless the speeding is bucketed, this alone is enough to skew the results to say motorists are worse than bicyclists. Remember, speeding tickets are a revenue source and the incentive is to set limits that produce revenue. > The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane This is still illegal. Blaming it on cars is lame-- these are grown adults willfully ignoring the law because they find it inconvenient. A motorcycle likewise can ride on the sidewalk to avoid car congestion but it doesn't because it's illegal and we would hold the driver accountable. Bikes, not so much.

I have seen as many car drivers punished for running a red light as I have seen cyclists running one--zero in both cases. Enforcement of traffic laws is painfully lax.

RhysU 1y ago
Automatic cameras send tickets for cars running redlights in NYC: https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-violations.page# https://www.nyc.gov/site/finance/vehicles/red-light-camera-v...

wpm 1y ago

Yes, a $100 ticket or whatever, horrible punishment.

kortilla 1y ago
It ends up being several hundred dollars in California and adds a point to your license (too many causes suspension).
- wpm 1y ago
  Oh my that sounds horrific...

rangestransform 1y ago

Not in NYC, I’ve seen 2 blatant and intentional red light runners this year so far

sebstefan 1y ago

"Cyclists Break Far Fewer Road Rules Than Motorists, Finds New Video Study" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists-break-far-fewer-road-rules-than-motorists-finds-new-video-study https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists...) Perhaps if there is a no bikelanes and cyclists are bothering you on the sidewalk you should walk in the middle of the road, as the real danger is bikes, right?

FergusArgyll 1y ago
> Most content on Forbes.com is written by contributors or "Senior Contributors" with minimal editorial oversight, and is generally unreliable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
- sebstefan 1y ago
  They're just quoting a danish government report Googling it, I found a second one in London with the same methods (surveying CCTV footage of multiple intersections) and they get the same findings In both: - Motorists break way more traffic laws - Motorists mainly break the law for speed or convenience - The infractions by motorists are generally more serious and pose a threat to others (the main one is speeding) - The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane - The second one is turning right on red without causing inconvenience to other road users https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights.pdf https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights... For the danish government report unfortunately they moved it and I can't find it anymore http://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2019-05/Cyklisters%20adf%C3%A6rd%20i%20kryds.pdf http://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2019-05/Cy...
  - RhysU 1y ago
    > the main one is speeding Speeding mildly is usually a consequence of stupidly low speed limits. Unless the speeding is bucketed, this alone is enough to skew the results to say motorists are worse than bicyclists. Remember, speeding tickets are a revenue source and the incentive is to set limits that produce revenue. > The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane This is still illegal. Blaming it on cars is lame-- these are grown adults willfully ignoring the law because they find it inconvenient. A motorcycle likewise can ride on the sidewalk to avoid car congestion but it doesn't because it's illegal and we would hold the driver accountable. Bikes, not so much.