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I think the slippery slope has long happened and also gone away. There are a ton of roads with "turnpike" or "pike" in their name. Some cost money [1] others a

I think the slippery slope has long happened and also gone away. There are a ton of roads with "turnpike" or "pike" in their name. Some cost money [1] others are free. What's the big difference between NYC's congestion pricing and the Florida Pike? I guess you can fight congestion pricing in order to slow the spread of toll roads but it's not the beginning of a slipper slope. Usage fees are a very old concept (price discrimination by time is pretty old as well). [1]: https://floridasturnpike.com/system-maps/ https://floridasturnpike.com/system-maps/

listenallyall 1y ago
New York State already has a major toll road (NY Thruway) and tolls to enter New York City. So do New Jersey and Connecticut, the other states you must drive through to enter New York City. The congestion pricing is a new charge on top of longstanding toll roads and bridge/tunnel tolls, so it feels like a new category and the start of something new, rather than being equated to "usage fees" as you state, at least in the minds of many drivers.
- dml2135 1y ago
  It's new yes, but the comment you are replying to asked how it is different. It's simply another toll.
  - listenallyall 1y ago
    The people's intense response - from supporters to opponents - plus the media coverage and political posturing, demonstrates that it's not "simply another toll"
josephcsible 1y ago
With regular toll roads, if you don't want to pay the toll, you can drive on a different road instead and still get to the same place at the same time.
- walthamstow 1y ago
  The same time? Why does anyone use the toll road?
  - josephcsible 1y ago
    With regular toll roads, you can choose to leave sooner and take a slower way to avoid the toll. With this, the toll is mandatory no matter which way you go.
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- dml2135 1y ago
  This is the same thing, except the different road is "the subway", or even the same road and "walking".

listenallyall 1y ago

New York State already has a major toll road (NY Thruway) and tolls to enter New York City. So do New Jersey and Connecticut, the other states you must drive through to enter New York City. The congestion pricing is a new charge on top of longstanding toll roads and bridge/tunnel tolls, so it feels like a new category and the start of something new, rather than being equated to "usage fees" as you state, at least in the minds of many drivers.

dml2135 1y ago
It's new yes, but the comment you are replying to asked how it is different. It's simply another toll.
- listenallyall 1y ago
  The people's intense response - from supporters to opponents - plus the media coverage and political posturing, demonstrates that it's not "simply another toll"

josephcsible 1y ago

With regular toll roads, if you don't want to pay the toll, you can drive on a different road instead and still get to the same place at the same time.

walthamstow 1y ago
The same time? Why does anyone use the toll road?
- josephcsible 1y ago
  With regular toll roads, you can choose to leave sooner and take a slower way to avoid the toll. With this, the toll is mandatory no matter which way you go.
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dml2135 1y ago
This is the same thing, except the different road is "the subway", or even the same road and "walking".