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Isn’t this what public transit is supposed to provide? In San Francisco, I just hope Mayor Lurie will work to make riding Muni a less intimidating experience.

by tlogan 1y ago

Isn’t this what public transit is supposed to provide? In San Francisco, I just hope Mayor Lurie will work to make riding Muni a less intimidating experience. I understand some people still find it convenient, and that’s great—but unfortunately, safety has seriously declined in recent years. Personally, I just can’t bring myself to ride it anymore. Maybe it’s because I live near a Walgreens, and I often see the same groups of “shoppers” (aka shoplifters) frequently hopping on and off at the same stop I use. It’s hard to feel secure in that environment.

jdross 1y ago
Many people who would otherwise love public transit – like me, hi, I grew up in NY and rode Muni & BART my entire 10 years in SF – avoid it in places like SF or the bus in NYC because increasingly over the last 15 years "the public" part has included very antisocial people, zero enforcement of social norms allowed, and declining enforcement of law.
billllll 1y ago
I ride Muni, BART and Caltrain all the time (I'm car-free in SF), and I have no idea what you're talking about. Here are the actual statistics of crime per vehicle mile on Muni: https://www.sf.gov/data--crimes-muni https://www.sf.gov/data--crimes-muni Crime in SF and other big cities have been going way down. If anything, you're probably safer than ever in SF (and other common political targets like NY and Chicago). Also, how can you know that Muni is more dangerous, if you're too scared to even get on in the first place? Can you really say your fear is based on facts and experience?
- tlogan 1y ago
  May I ask if you can compare your experience now comparing to 2006? Is it better? Safer?
- archagon 1y ago
  Ditto. I ride Muni (bus and rail) in the Mission close to every day, and although I sometimes encounter people behaving erratically or anti-socially, I don’t recall the last time I felt “unsafe.” (Not that it’s always a pleasant experience, but it’s fine, and cheap.)
- wagwangbosy 1y ago
  He's probably talking about the walgreens on 4th and townsend and that area (also near where i live) has been getting worse in the past year. It was 1 of 2 neighborhoods that had an uptick in crime to the tune of 50%+. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/sf-neighborhoods-data-20315912.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/sf-neighborhoods-d...

by tlogan 1y ago

jdross 1y ago

Many people who would otherwise love public transit – like me, hi, I grew up in NY and rode Muni & BART my entire 10 years in SF – avoid it in places like SF or the bus in NYC because increasingly over the last 15 years "the public" part has included very antisocial people, zero enforcement of social norms allowed, and declining enforcement of law.

billllll 1y ago

I ride Muni, BART and Caltrain all the time (I'm car-free in SF), and I have no idea what you're talking about. Here are the actual statistics of crime per vehicle mile on Muni: https://www.sf.gov/data--crimes-muni https://www.sf.gov/data--crimes-muni Crime in SF and other big cities have been going way down. If anything, you're probably safer than ever in SF (and other common political targets like NY and Chicago). Also, how can you know that Muni is more dangerous, if you're too scared to even get on in the first place? Can you really say your fear is based on facts and experience?

tlogan 1y ago
May I ask if you can compare your experience now comparing to 2006? Is it better? Safer?
archagon 1y ago
Ditto. I ride Muni (bus and rail) in the Mission close to every day, and although I sometimes encounter people behaving erratically or anti-socially, I don’t recall the last time I felt “unsafe.” (Not that it’s always a pleasant experience, but it’s fine, and cheap.)
wagwangbosy 1y ago
He's probably talking about the walgreens on 4th and townsend and that area (also near where i live) has been getting worse in the past year. It was 1 of 2 neighborhoods that had an uptick in crime to the tune of 50%+. https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/sf-neighborhoods-data-20315912.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/sf-neighborhoods-d...