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Are you implying Uber isn't more expensive than when it first started? Because it is.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Are you implying Uber isn't more expensive than when it first started? Because it is Of course not. I'm saying (not implying) that Uber never jacked up its rates beyond what the competition, including taxis, charge.
- mmooss 1y ago
  Aren't you all agreeing then - when there's competition, such as public transit, Uber will keep its prices competitive. When there's no competition ...
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > when there's competition, such as public transit, Uber will keep its prices competitive. When there's no competition The when is a bogeyman. It's never happened. We're trading present benefits against a hypothetical downside with easy remedies if it appears.
    - ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
      As I mentioned in another comment, Project 2025 calls for cuts to public transit and instead giving funding and subsidies to private companies like Uber or Lyft to provide transit. Republicans already hate funding transit so how do these easy remedies appear to you? If transit was properly funded, Uber wouldn't have done this to begin with.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > If transit was properly funded, Uber wouldn't have done this to begin with It’s not. That’s not Republicans’ fault, there isn’t a great reason for West Virginians to subsidise San Francisco rail.
        ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
        West Virginia is a welfare state and the 3rd most dependent on federal funding. California actually gives more money than it gets from the fed. Most red states aren't subsidizing anything, they are the ones living off subsidies. Transit funding at the federal level supports ALL states. Projects in red states are being built due to the transit infrastructure bill passed under Biden.
        FireBeyond 1y ago
        > there isn’t a great reason for West Virginians to subsidise San Francisco rail There's not a great reason for Washingtonians to subsidize Florida's hurricane insurance, but here we are...
        mmooss 1y ago
        Sure there is, such as cooperation, care for others, responsibility for others. Why should those things stop at the West Virginia border? Why fund public goods in West Virginia? Maybe we should fund none at all, have no responsibility for anyone but ourselves.
    - mmooss 1y ago
      Wow. That is basic economics and I see it all the time in the marketplace. Wait until the competition cancels your favorite air route and see what happens to the prices. What are the easy remedies? Restart public transit?
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > That is basic economics and I see it all the time in the marketplace Yes, it’s a market failure. The solution is not to never attempt anything that might result in market failure. > Wait until the competition cancels your favorite air route and see what happens to the prices Bad comparison. The locality controls the airport. Not the route. Not the destination. With Uber, the locality controls the pick-up and at least significant parts of the route. (There also isn’t any federal preëmption of ride share regulation the way there is in the air.) > What are the easy remedies? Restart public transit? In the event Uber bankrupts the bus system and also Lyft and Waymo? Tax them. Increase use fees. Revoke bus lane privileges. Again, this is a bogeyman. It’s never actually happened in urban transportation in the modern era, particularly, never with Uber.
        mmooss 1y ago
        Your promise that the obvious economic outcome won't happen, and your insistance that it hasn't happened with Uber, isn't convincing. This is how markets and how aggressive business - particularly modern business - works. (Also, regarding Uber, how many times have they been in a market with no competition?) > In the event Uber bankrupts the bus system and also Lyft and Waymo? Tax them. Increase use fees. Revoke bus lane privileges. What if Uber doesn't provide equitable service? How about hospitals getting shut down by for-profit owners, leaving communities without healthcare? Businesses chase profit and cut losses - not a good choice when you need equitable servcies.

> Are you implying Uber isn't more expensive than when it first started? Because it is Of course not. I'm saying (not implying) that Uber never jacked up its rates beyond what the competition, including taxis, charge.

mmooss 1y ago
Aren't you all agreeing then - when there's competition, such as public transit, Uber will keep its prices competitive. When there's no competition ...
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > when there's competition, such as public transit, Uber will keep its prices competitive. When there's no competition The when is a bogeyman. It's never happened. We're trading present benefits against a hypothetical downside with easy remedies if it appears.
  - ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
    As I mentioned in another comment, Project 2025 calls for cuts to public transit and instead giving funding and subsidies to private companies like Uber or Lyft to provide transit. Republicans already hate funding transit so how do these easy remedies appear to you? If transit was properly funded, Uber wouldn't have done this to begin with.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > If transit was properly funded, Uber wouldn't have done this to begin with It’s not. That’s not Republicans’ fault, there isn’t a great reason for West Virginians to subsidise San Francisco rail.
      - ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
        West Virginia is a welfare state and the 3rd most dependent on federal funding. California actually gives more money than it gets from the fed. Most red states aren't subsidizing anything, they are the ones living off subsidies. Transit funding at the federal level supports ALL states. Projects in red states are being built due to the transit infrastructure bill passed under Biden.
      - FireBeyond 1y ago
        > there isn’t a great reason for West Virginians to subsidise San Francisco rail There's not a great reason for Washingtonians to subsidize Florida's hurricane insurance, but here we are...
      - mmooss 1y ago
        Sure there is, such as cooperation, care for others, responsibility for others. Why should those things stop at the West Virginia border? Why fund public goods in West Virginia? Maybe we should fund none at all, have no responsibility for anyone but ourselves.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    Wow. That is basic economics and I see it all the time in the marketplace. Wait until the competition cancels your favorite air route and see what happens to the prices. What are the easy remedies? Restart public transit?
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > That is basic economics and I see it all the time in the marketplace Yes, it’s a market failure. The solution is not to never attempt anything that might result in market failure. > Wait until the competition cancels your favorite air route and see what happens to the prices Bad comparison. The locality controls the airport. Not the route. Not the destination. With Uber, the locality controls the pick-up and at least significant parts of the route. (There also isn’t any federal preëmption of ride share regulation the way there is in the air.) > What are the easy remedies? Restart public transit? In the event Uber bankrupts the bus system and also Lyft and Waymo? Tax them. Increase use fees. Revoke bus lane privileges. Again, this is a bogeyman. It’s never actually happened in urban transportation in the modern era, particularly, never with Uber.
      - mmooss 1y ago
        Your promise that the obvious economic outcome won't happen, and your insistance that it hasn't happened with Uber, isn't convincing. This is how markets and how aggressive business - particularly modern business - works. (Also, regarding Uber, how many times have they been in a market with no competition?) > In the event Uber bankrupts the bus system and also Lyft and Waymo? Tax them. Increase use fees. Revoke bus lane privileges. What if Uber doesn't provide equitable service? How about hospitals getting shut down by for-profit owners, leaving communities without healthcare? Businesses chase profit and cut losses - not a good choice when you need equitable servcies.