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So you're saying we're improving US security, by making our allies think we're actually their enemies so they beef up their militaries to fight us?

jazzyjackson 1y ago
To defend themselves knowing the US won't be there to back them up but yes
- DennisP 1y ago
  Then I guess when we live in a world where lots of countries have powerful militaries and none of them are our friends, that means we've won.
  - keepamovin 1y ago
    The notion that current allies become enemies simply because they become required to pay a fair share of their defense is a dumb one. But if true, questions how allied such regions really were!
  - keepamovin 1y ago
    The notion that current allies become enemies simply because they become required to pay a fair share of their defense is a dumb one. But if true, questions how allied such regions really were, if their allegiance can be bought or disbanded by a few dubloons.
    - DennisP 1y ago
      So I guess you haven't noticed Trump's very-thinly-veiled threats of military action against Greenland, Canada, and Panama. People in those countries, and Europe, have definitely noticed.
      - keepamovin 1y ago
        OK, I see it like this: you can set boundaries with your friends. Setting boundaries with friends doesn't make them enemies, that's dumb. If you're a country, reserving the right to use military force is a way of setting boundaries. Think of it like this, your friend Darald never pays for anything and expects you to foot the bill for all group activities, and even pay his rent and deal with his crazy ex-wife (paying his alimony, etc). Darald also talks shit about you every chance he gets, in front of your other pals. You eventually get fed up with enabling his destructive / lazy behavior and stand up for yourself. Do you: a) punch him in the nose; b) use court action to seize his assets to recoup some of your losses; c) go to his house and take the money he owes you out of his mattress, and push him off you when he tries to stop you; d) all of the above; e) do nothing, keep letting yourself get abused. ???

jazzyjackson 1y ago

To defend themselves knowing the US won't be there to back them up but yes

DennisP 1y ago
Then I guess when we live in a world where lots of countries have powerful militaries and none of them are our friends, that means we've won.
- keepamovin 1y ago
  The notion that current allies become enemies simply because they become required to pay a fair share of their defense is a dumb one. But if true, questions how allied such regions really were!
- keepamovin 1y ago
  The notion that current allies become enemies simply because they become required to pay a fair share of their defense is a dumb one. But if true, questions how allied such regions really were, if their allegiance can be bought or disbanded by a few dubloons.
  - DennisP 1y ago
    So I guess you haven't noticed Trump's very-thinly-veiled threats of military action against Greenland, Canada, and Panama. People in those countries, and Europe, have definitely noticed.
    - keepamovin 1y ago
      OK, I see it like this: you can set boundaries with your friends. Setting boundaries with friends doesn't make them enemies, that's dumb. If you're a country, reserving the right to use military force is a way of setting boundaries. Think of it like this, your friend Darald never pays for anything and expects you to foot the bill for all group activities, and even pay his rent and deal with his crazy ex-wife (paying his alimony, etc). Darald also talks shit about you every chance he gets, in front of your other pals. You eventually get fed up with enabling his destructive / lazy behavior and stand up for yourself. Do you: a) punch him in the nose; b) use court action to seize his assets to recoup some of your losses; c) go to his house and take the money he owes you out of his mattress, and push him off you when he tries to stop you; d) all of the above; e) do nothing, keep letting yourself get abused. ???