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Buses are huge obstacles to the free flow of traffic (e.g. blocking right turns, slow left turns, blocking car and bike lanes with width) and are heavy polluter
by gamblor956 1y ago
Buses are huge obstacles to the free flow of traffic (e.g. blocking right turns, slow left turns, blocking car and bike lanes with width) and are heavy polluters (diesel powered, oversized for most of their operating time).
This is all wrong. At any given moment, the average bus will replace at least a dozen cars, so a bus "blocking a right turn" for a few seconds is significantly less of an obstacle than a dozen or more cars in that lane.
Buses make slow left turns, yes. But not much slower than normal cars, and it's far more likely that you'll miss a left turn due to a normal driver staring at Instagram on their phone instead of watching for the green turn signal.
Buses do not take up more than their lane in the U.S. Also, buses and bus stops were around before bike lanes, which (being generous) serve 1/100,000th as many people.
One diesel-powered bus still pollutes less than the vehicles it replaces.
And finally, Chariot wasn't outlawed. It just couldn't compete on the basis of real-world economics even though it was charging a multiple of what Muni charged for the same routes. To put it bluntly: the private company so inefficient that it couldn't make the numbers work even charging 5x what the public agency was charging. (SF did suspend Chariot for a weekin 2017 because Chariot was found to have been employing drivers without licenses.)
- Suppafly 1y ago> the private company so inefficient that it couldn't make the numbers work even charging 5x what the public agency was charging. That's not surprising because the public agency is mostly tax supported. Fares never reflect the true cost of the ride on public transportation.
- ausbah 1y agopersonal vehicles are also massively subsidized. the price of gas, registration, insurance, parking, purchasing, etc don’t reflective of their true cost
- Suppafly 1y agoto a degree but most of those things you've mentioned, the owners do pay the full cost of.
- surfaceofthesun 1y agoI posted about this above [1]. But the gist is that the most significant subsidies for private car ownership are indirect like parking minimums. --- [1] -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43988252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43988252