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From my experience around less-used languages (with clojure on one hand and code aster's python on the other), LLMs may be able to generalize syntax but availab

From my experience around less-used languages (with clojure on one hand and code aster's python on the other), LLMs may be able to generalize syntax but availability of APIs, functions, etc. is something that you can't solve by generalizing. Or more precisely, you can generalize but that means hallucinating non existing tools.

unshavedyak 1y ago
Would non-generalizing solve this issue for libraries though? Ie a lot of models produce reasonable code for me, but i almost always care about usage of libraries. That's where they get the wrong version, or hallucinate, or etc for me.
JohnMakin 1y ago
General purpose LLM's fail really hard at this in domains like terraform. There may be drastic differences in syntax and semantics between the massive matrix of terraform version + provider version(s) and they've shown to be absolutely terrible at navigating that, even if you specify versions specifically. Even worse, and probably what exacerbates it, this version matrix changes at a much faster pace than most programming languages typically introduce large changes.
- _w1tm 1y ago
  > There may be drastic differences in syntax and semantics between the massive matrix of terraform version + provider version(s) and they've shown to be absolutely terrible at navigating that, even if you specify versions specifically. To be fair, humans have trouble with that as well.
  - JohnMakin 1y ago
    That is always the counter but that is not the promise of these tools to be as bad as humans are. Humans can also work their way through it. The context ruts these tools get into with terraform specifically they can never dig out of, it's pretty much worthless for it, at least as many times as I've tried. You will waste far more time trying to figure out where it messed up on something dead simple than if you just looked over a colleague's shoulder, who probably wouldn't run into the same kinds of basic mistakes like making up fields.

unshavedyak 1y ago

Would non-generalizing solve this issue for libraries though? Ie a lot of models produce reasonable code for me, but i almost always care about usage of libraries. That's where they get the wrong version, or hallucinate, or etc for me.

JohnMakin 1y ago

General purpose LLM's fail really hard at this in domains like terraform. There may be drastic differences in syntax and semantics between the massive matrix of terraform version + provider version(s) and they've shown to be absolutely terrible at navigating that, even if you specify versions specifically. Even worse, and probably what exacerbates it, this version matrix changes at a much faster pace than most programming languages typically introduce large changes.

_w1tm 1y ago
> There may be drastic differences in syntax and semantics between the massive matrix of terraform version + provider version(s) and they've shown to be absolutely terrible at navigating that, even if you specify versions specifically. To be fair, humans have trouble with that as well.
- JohnMakin 1y ago
  That is always the counter but that is not the promise of these tools to be as bad as humans are. Humans can also work their way through it. The context ruts these tools get into with terraform specifically they can never dig out of, it's pretty much worthless for it, at least as many times as I've tried. You will waste far more time trying to figure out where it messed up on something dead simple than if you just looked over a colleague's shoulder, who probably wouldn't run into the same kinds of basic mistakes like making up fields.