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Just note that in a lot of countries, like Spain, the rental or hotel establishments are required by law to collect a lot of your information. It feels totally

Just note that in a lot of countries, like Spain, the rental or hotel establishments are required by law to collect a lot of your information. It feels totally intrusive, but it's the law unfortunately.

dspillett 1y ago
Also, in places where there are such requirements, someone not following them and requesting the information could be a significant red flag. What other ordinances are they ignoring that could affect your safety or just your enjoyment?
pas 1y ago
Sure, but I expect AirBnB to handle this. (At least clearly communicate the requirement, cite the relevant statutes, link them, explain them, and help both parties be compliant while respecting users' privacy and hosts' time.)
lifestyleguru 1y ago
I had some random folks in hostel reception taking full photo with their private smartphone of my id document "for the police", despite I clearly said I do not consent to have a copy of my document taken. Spanish hosts are absolutely shady and sloppy privacy wise. EDIT. Spaniards don't take it personally. There is a war at the EU borders and there are waves of scams and various predatory behaviours, plus usual organised scams from Balkans, China, and India. Visitors will not be happy about their documents being scanned.
- xav0989 1y ago
  Where it’s the law for the lodging provides to have a copy of ID, you either consent to have them make a copy of your ID or you don’t get a place to stay. You don’t get to not consent and also get a place to stay.
  - lifestyleguru 1y ago
    Look up "spanish hotel/hostel fined for copying guest id". They certainly are not allowed to copy documents of EU citizens.
    - rafram 1y ago
      They were fined because they weren’t using the third-party online service that GGGGP is complaining about: https://spanishnewstoday.com/tourism-sector-wages-war-as-new-guest-registry-system-comes-into-force-in-spain_1000167011-a.html https://spanishnewstoday.com/tourism-sector-wages-war-as-new...
- rafram 1y ago
  They were probably telling the truth. It’s pretty common to have to register hotel/hostel stays with the authorities, and it’s increasingly uncommon to own a flatbed scanner - so what did you expect them to do, pull out a DSLR?
  - lifestyleguru 1y ago
    Identify the guest and write down the details read from the document, that's what most in Europe outside of Spain are doing.
    - ghaff 1y ago
      I stayed with a friend in a Balkan country a couple years back and she had to take my passport and that of a couple of relatives down to the police station.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    I'd expect them to get the right equipment for them to operate their business instead of having people use their private cell phones to save my photo id to their personal iCloud account and God knows where else. It's like you're arguing banks should be absolved of using tls because it's just so tricky. If your business requires you to handle PII I expect you to have the right equipment and processes to handle it.

dspillett 1y ago

Also, in places where there are such requirements, someone not following them and requesting the information could be a significant red flag. What other ordinances are they ignoring that could affect your safety or just your enjoyment?

pas 1y ago

Sure, but I expect AirBnB to handle this. (At least clearly communicate the requirement, cite the relevant statutes, link them, explain them, and help both parties be compliant while respecting users' privacy and hosts' time.)

lifestyleguru 1y ago

I had some random folks in hostel reception taking full photo with their private smartphone of my id document "for the police", despite I clearly said I do not consent to have a copy of my document taken. Spanish hosts are absolutely shady and sloppy privacy wise. EDIT. Spaniards don't take it personally. There is a war at the EU borders and there are waves of scams and various predatory behaviours, plus usual organised scams from Balkans, China, and India. Visitors will not be happy about their documents being scanned.

xav0989 1y ago
Where it’s the law for the lodging provides to have a copy of ID, you either consent to have them make a copy of your ID or you don’t get a place to stay. You don’t get to not consent and also get a place to stay.
- lifestyleguru 1y ago
  Look up "spanish hotel/hostel fined for copying guest id". They certainly are not allowed to copy documents of EU citizens.
  - rafram 1y ago
    They were fined because they weren’t using the third-party online service that GGGGP is complaining about: https://spanishnewstoday.com/tourism-sector-wages-war-as-new-guest-registry-system-comes-into-force-in-spain_1000167011-a.html https://spanishnewstoday.com/tourism-sector-wages-war-as-new...
rafram 1y ago
They were probably telling the truth. It’s pretty common to have to register hotel/hostel stays with the authorities, and it’s increasingly uncommon to own a flatbed scanner - so what did you expect them to do, pull out a DSLR?
- lifestyleguru 1y ago
  Identify the guest and write down the details read from the document, that's what most in Europe outside of Spain are doing.
  - ghaff 1y ago
    I stayed with a friend in a Balkan country a couple years back and she had to take my passport and that of a couple of relatives down to the police station.
- vel0city 1y ago
  I'd expect them to get the right equipment for them to operate their business instead of having people use their private cell phones to save my photo id to their personal iCloud account and God knows where else. It's like you're arguing banks should be absolved of using tls because it's just so tricky. If your business requires you to handle PII I expect you to have the right equipment and processes to handle it.