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> Your thinking is scattered, disorganized, surface level and not well thought-through. You are missing crucial information and you are looking for a simple arg

by mantas 1y ago

> Your thinking is scattered, disorganized, surface level and not well thought-through. You are missing crucial information and you are looking for a simple argument to a complex problem you erroneously believe to be simple and common sense. Complex problem? Most of the world, even very backwards places, figured out voter IDs ages ago. It is pretty simple. My thinking is biased, due to my experiences and context. Just like yours. But if you guys are stuck in your kindergarten battles, maybe it's worth to consider hearing outsiders' perspective? > And yet you don't understand why democrats oppose voter ID laws and neither do you understand why republicans support it. TBH I bumped into more republicans against voter ID than for it. I know why democrats are against. But their arguments didn't convince me. All of the problems listed are easy to solve. And if there's a will to not solve them... You have bigger problems and will to do election fraud elsewhere. > Because you first have to understand what the argument is about. I know both sides whys both pro- and against- voter ids.

lyu07282 1y ago
This goes nowhere, but here is the last things I want say: Both have the same motivation. It makes them win more elections. Republicans want voter ID laws because it makes it harder for people without an ID to vote, and those people tend to not vote for republicans. Democrats are against voter ID laws because it makes it easier for people without an ID to vote, and those people tend to vote for democrats. There is no feasible way to increase access to photo IDs, in red states that introduce(d) voter ID laws its republicans who make it harder for people. There is no national ID in the US and its again republicans who make it impossible to change that. Election fraud is not a real issue, there is no evidence of any wide-spread voter fraud. There are many other ways identity is established at polling places and it is almost impossible to do without anyone noticing. There are lists of voters, if you go and it shows you already voted, it would be immediately obvious. These are all things you could easily research for yourself
- mantas 1y ago
  Making it easier to vote without ID in a country with a lot of non-citizen-residents is pretty damn close to election fraud in my books. At least in my country that could cause very sad political landscape changes.

by mantas 1y ago

lyu07282 1y ago

This goes nowhere, but here is the last things I want say: Both have the same motivation. It makes them win more elections. Republicans want voter ID laws because it makes it harder for people without an ID to vote, and those people tend to not vote for republicans. Democrats are against voter ID laws because it makes it easier for people without an ID to vote, and those people tend to vote for democrats. There is no feasible way to increase access to photo IDs, in red states that introduce(d) voter ID laws its republicans who make it harder for people. There is no national ID in the US and its again republicans who make it impossible to change that. Election fraud is not a real issue, there is no evidence of any wide-spread voter fraud. There are many other ways identity is established at polling places and it is almost impossible to do without anyone noticing. There are lists of voters, if you go and it shows you already voted, it would be immediately obvious. These are all things you could easily research for yourself

mantas 1y ago
Making it easier to vote without ID in a country with a lot of non-citizen-residents is pretty damn close to election fraud in my books. At least in my country that could cause very sad political landscape changes.