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If you scroll down on this page you can see the historical trend for the latino demographic:- https://www.as-coa.org/articles/how-latinos-voted-2024-us-preside

If you scroll down on this page you can see the historical trend for the latino demographic:- https://www.as-coa.org/articles/how-latinos-voted-2024-us-presidential-election https://www.as-coa.org/articles/how-latinos-voted-2024-us-pr... Note in the 2020 election more than double the number of Latinos voted Democrat over Republican. With the massive levels of illegal immigration under the Biden open border policy, the demographic voting shift would have likely happened in the medium term as the millions of illegals slowly merged into the legal population (from 5 years onwards). And of course, within a year or two the Dems would have been clamouring to have the illegals made into citizens. I think the Dems thought they could get away with it because they had enough of the media on their side (CNN, NYT etc) to carry water for them. But with podcasts, social media etc the media landscape has changed drastically and they weren't able to control the narrative the way they have previously. And this was particularly catastrophic given Kamala Harris was such a poor candidate seemingly pathologically incapable of saying anything beyond rehearsed talking points (and as a consequence largely avoided podcasts). We can come back in year and everything could be amazing but based on what I've seen so far, I'm sure you would come up with some tortured logic as to why up is down, black is white and it's the worst economy ever etc...

shadowgovt 1y ago
If we're still deporting cancer patients mid-treatment, things can't be amazing in a year somewhat by definition. It's not the logic that's being tortured; it's human beings. When did we become a nation so cowardly that we have to deport sick kids to feel safe?
- lazyeye 1y ago
  Neither of us have the faintest clue what the actual specific details were of this situation you are attempting use as some form of emotional blackmail. The utterly corrupt Biden administration allowed millions of illegals into this country to sway the voter demographics in their favor. This situation is 100% on them, the current administration is simply attempting to clean up their mess.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    If you're trying to assert this isn't a child with cancer (and an American citizen) being sent out of the country before his treatment is over, present evidence. Otherwise you're trying to ignore the facts in your face by deflecting and equivocation. Which you must if you hope to maintain this endeavor to defend the administration, because the facts are monstrous. I've seen your other posts on other threads. You are attempting to cope with the wheels coming off of the United States by shutting your eyes to the news. It has to be lies, because if it's not lies then what this administration is doing is an existential threat, and you'd much rather not be facing an existential threat. I get that. It sucks being in the middle of history. I will entertain for a bit accepting your premise that there is a national threat on the border and something must be done (I think it's a flimsy premise; I think these immigration laws are an attempt to build a beaver dam against a rising tide of demographic shift globally, and their incompatibility with the reality on the ground is demonstrated in their inability to be enforced; I think Americans get, at some fundamental level, that we don't get to enforce border constraints like a scared ethnostate while at the same time being America, but we aren't willing to admit that to ourselves yet). It is entirely possible for the goal to be just, but the process to be monstrous and the administrator to be too stupid to find a balance between efficacy and mercy. You kicked off this subthread by interjecting that people should have just enforced the law. Well here we are. This is what enforcement looks like. It is not the people we want to be. If previous administrations didn't do this? Good. That was wise leadership that we replaced with a fool. (Concretely, in this situation: they simply could have let them stay until the treatment was complete. That is always a choice. The executive has broad leeway over enforcement, and that's a feature not a bug.)
    - lazyeye 1y ago
      Sorry but I'm simply not wasting any more time on this. You've addressed none of the points I've made, none of the extraordinarily corrupt behaviour of the previous admin and you are completely detached from reality on almost all issues of significance. Your arguments are weak and immature. I could equally make a moral argument about the enormous harm caused by the previous administration on so many levels but you'll of course, ignore that and focus on the one scenario you believes supports your case. I'II leave you to have the last word as it's clearly a waste of time engaging with you.

shadowgovt 1y ago

If we're still deporting cancer patients mid-treatment, things can't be amazing in a year somewhat by definition. It's not the logic that's being tortured; it's human beings. When did we become a nation so cowardly that we have to deport sick kids to feel safe?

lazyeye 1y ago
Neither of us have the faintest clue what the actual specific details were of this situation you are attempting use as some form of emotional blackmail. The utterly corrupt Biden administration allowed millions of illegals into this country to sway the voter demographics in their favor. This situation is 100% on them, the current administration is simply attempting to clean up their mess.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  If you're trying to assert this isn't a child with cancer (and an American citizen) being sent out of the country before his treatment is over, present evidence. Otherwise you're trying to ignore the facts in your face by deflecting and equivocation. Which you must if you hope to maintain this endeavor to defend the administration, because the facts are monstrous. I've seen your other posts on other threads. You are attempting to cope with the wheels coming off of the United States by shutting your eyes to the news. It has to be lies, because if it's not lies then what this administration is doing is an existential threat, and you'd much rather not be facing an existential threat. I get that. It sucks being in the middle of history. I will entertain for a bit accepting your premise that there is a national threat on the border and something must be done (I think it's a flimsy premise; I think these immigration laws are an attempt to build a beaver dam against a rising tide of demographic shift globally, and their incompatibility with the reality on the ground is demonstrated in their inability to be enforced; I think Americans get, at some fundamental level, that we don't get to enforce border constraints like a scared ethnostate while at the same time being America, but we aren't willing to admit that to ourselves yet). It is entirely possible for the goal to be just, but the process to be monstrous and the administrator to be too stupid to find a balance between efficacy and mercy. You kicked off this subthread by interjecting that people should have just enforced the law. Well here we are. This is what enforcement looks like. It is not the people we want to be. If previous administrations didn't do this? Good. That was wise leadership that we replaced with a fool. (Concretely, in this situation: they simply could have let them stay until the treatment was complete. That is always a choice. The executive has broad leeway over enforcement, and that's a feature not a bug.)
  - lazyeye 1y ago
    Sorry but I'm simply not wasting any more time on this. You've addressed none of the points I've made, none of the extraordinarily corrupt behaviour of the previous admin and you are completely detached from reality on almost all issues of significance. Your arguments are weak and immature. I could equally make a moral argument about the enormous harm caused by the previous administration on so many levels but you'll of course, ignore that and focus on the one scenario you believes supports your case. I'II leave you to have the last word as it's clearly a waste of time engaging with you.