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Why did you deliberately leave out the whole quote? "When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would ta
by voxl 1y ago
Why did you deliberately leave out the whole quote?
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent."
Some emphasis: "We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent."
So, let me get this straight. Your argument that Fauci "lied" is that he increased numbers for herd immunity beyond what he had said in the past. Yet you neglect to mention that he admits these numbers are sciences best guess and as the situation evolved it appeared the number would have to be higher. Moreover, a higher percentage is naturally going to benefit more people, if you buy into the premise that vaccines are very low risk and very high impact, so if you have a reason to believe that the number may be higher calling it a "lie" to shift the percentage higher is ridiculous.
Listen, I get that this sentence you simply don't agree with: "vaccines are very low risk and very high impact." Yes, that is part of the problem, you are brainwashed and anti-intellectual. I don't even know why I'm engaging with you! Partly because I was surprised at your quote, and then angry to learn you lied about it.
It's embarrassing to me, frankly. It's tiring to see that people like you exist.
- mike_hearn 1y agoThe rest of the quote makes no difference. He originally presented these numbers as based on science. Later, he admitted he actually made them up based on opinion poll results. Not science and not even "science best guesses", but numbers chosen to always be a bit higher than what most people said they felt comfortable with in order to create social pressure. It was pure social engineering, with no connection to science.
- voxl 1y agoI'm genuinely curious as I'm starting to believe HN as a whole entertains anti-vaccine conspiracy theories. Do you believe any of these statements? 1. Vaccines cause autism 2. Vaccines are not safe and effective (or that this statement belies the realities) 3. Herd immunity is not more important than individual choice
- const_cast 1y agoWell that's not true at all, in his own words the science says the number is between 70-90%. And he said somewhere between those numbers. So it's based in science. It's not made up, that's not what made up means.