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I hope the author doesn't take this the wrong way, but this feels like another Temple OS driven by a different (perhaps milder) kind of insanity. It's quite te

I hope the author doesn't take this the wrong way, but this feels like another Temple OS driven by a different (perhaps milder) kind of insanity. It's quite technically impressive, but I'm not sure I'd know what to do with it if I were experiencing an apocalypse, in a way that would be more useful to me than an install of Windows XP or Linux or Freedos would be

theletterf 1y ago
Temple OS came to my mind, too. At least that one had a UI and games; a much better option if civilization collapses.
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emchammer 1y ago
It's just such a boutique thing, saying you're prepared to run 32-bit software on hardware during an apocalypse. If CPUs suddenly become scarce, I would have figured a tube-based, relay-based, or Enigma-type machine with specific useful applications would be more practical.
- zeroq 1y ago
  You do realize that your usb charger has a microprocesor that is as capable as computers you used to play on as a child? Seriously, finding a running 386 today will probably be more challanging than finding a PC capable of running Cyberpunk in 4k 5 years after the fallout. Like others have mentioned at worst it's another TempleOS or subtle way to point out to your acquaintance that they shouldn't stay with you alone at best.
  - aziaziazi 1y ago
    > years after the fallout. Ok, but that's not the purpose of the OS. I recommend you to read the Why page: https://collapseos.org/why.html https://collapseos.org/why.html Two relevants parts: > Computers, after a few decades, will break down beyond repair and we won't be able to program microcontrollers any more. > It's not that modern ICs are more fragile than old ones (maybe they are, after all, more can go wrong with millions of transistors than with thousands), it's that old designs are simpler than modern ones and thus more repairable. The complete reflexion and arguments are way deeper and interesting through. The most interesting parts is under "Electronics evolved rapidly without any help before. Why can't we pull it again?"
    - zeroq 1y ago
      Yeah, I've read that with the voice of Ron Perlman: "FAT, FAT never changes...". I get that not every vault dweller will be technically apt enough to build a working computer out of a usb charger, but there is plenty of hardware and software that will be laying around in shrines near ghoul settlements. Every store has POSes that can be easilly repurposed, there's DOS, Windows95 and if your tribe really wants to get an edge during a siege on enemy village you will most likely be able to calculate catapults trajectories on a PIP... I mean old android phone.
horacemorace 1y ago
An LLM and a modern desktop makes any sufficiently enthusiastic human into an Operator, as the author describes it.
keybored 1y ago
An OS for civilizational collapse is a million times more relevant than an OS dedicated to God.
- ummonk 1y ago
  Churches did a much better job of preserving knowledge through the "Dark Age" than did doomsayer prophets.
EGreg 1y ago
I gotta be honest It didnt start out that way But 14 years later I would say this was also a labor of love and I’m not sure if it was entirely rational: https://github.com/Qbix https://github.com/Qbix and https://community.qbix.com https://community.qbix.com
- GTP 1y ago
  What's this?
StrangeDoctor 1y ago
I think the idea is: some computing device is discovered, but the OS is bad/missing/old/not useful etc. Or possibly a novel computer is built from whatever is still around. The computer itself would still be good if only it had an os. Dusk OS is easy to port to new arch because it compiles from source on every(?) boot, and only needs a tiny kernel to be ported?
- vdupras 1y ago
  Yes, every time Dusk boots, it boots from a kernel ranging from 2.5 to 4 kilobytes in size, depending on the CPU. The rest is all compiled (very quickly) from source on the fly.
thih9 1y ago
This and more is addressed on the "why.html" page. E.g.: > (...) you and I are likely to be dead before Collapse OS is actually useful. or: > People who are less technical have trouble seeing the point of this project and ask "why can't we just use Linux?". People who have actually lifted Linux' hood don't ask that question because they actually understand the magnitude of complexity involved, but if you haven't, it's a legitimate question to ask. https://collapseos.org/why.html https://collapseos.org/why.html

theletterf 1y ago

Temple OS came to my mind, too. At least that one had a UI and games; a much better option if civilization collapses.

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emchammer 1y ago

It's just such a boutique thing, saying you're prepared to run 32-bit software on hardware during an apocalypse. If CPUs suddenly become scarce, I would have figured a tube-based, relay-based, or Enigma-type machine with specific useful applications would be more practical.

zeroq 1y ago
You do realize that your usb charger has a microprocesor that is as capable as computers you used to play on as a child? Seriously, finding a running 386 today will probably be more challanging than finding a PC capable of running Cyberpunk in 4k 5 years after the fallout. Like others have mentioned at worst it's another TempleOS or subtle way to point out to your acquaintance that they shouldn't stay with you alone at best.
- aziaziazi 1y ago
  > years after the fallout. Ok, but that's not the purpose of the OS. I recommend you to read the Why page: https://collapseos.org/why.html https://collapseos.org/why.html Two relevants parts: > Computers, after a few decades, will break down beyond repair and we won't be able to program microcontrollers any more. > It's not that modern ICs are more fragile than old ones (maybe they are, after all, more can go wrong with millions of transistors than with thousands), it's that old designs are simpler than modern ones and thus more repairable. The complete reflexion and arguments are way deeper and interesting through. The most interesting parts is under "Electronics evolved rapidly without any help before. Why can't we pull it again?"
  - zeroq 1y ago
    Yeah, I've read that with the voice of Ron Perlman: "FAT, FAT never changes...". I get that not every vault dweller will be technically apt enough to build a working computer out of a usb charger, but there is plenty of hardware and software that will be laying around in shrines near ghoul settlements. Every store has POSes that can be easilly repurposed, there's DOS, Windows95 and if your tribe really wants to get an edge during a siege on enemy village you will most likely be able to calculate catapults trajectories on a PIP... I mean old android phone.

horacemorace 1y ago

An LLM and a modern desktop makes any sufficiently enthusiastic human into an Operator, as the author describes it.

keybored 1y ago

An OS for civilizational collapse is a million times more relevant than an OS dedicated to God.

ummonk 1y ago
Churches did a much better job of preserving knowledge through the "Dark Age" than did doomsayer prophets.

EGreg 1y ago

I gotta be honest It didnt start out that way But 14 years later I would say this was also a labor of love and I’m not sure if it was entirely rational: https://github.com/Qbix https://github.com/Qbix and https://community.qbix.com https://community.qbix.com

GTP 1y ago
What's this?

StrangeDoctor 1y ago

I think the idea is: some computing device is discovered, but the OS is bad/missing/old/not useful etc. Or possibly a novel computer is built from whatever is still around. The computer itself would still be good if only it had an os. Dusk OS is easy to port to new arch because it compiles from source on every(?) boot, and only needs a tiny kernel to be ported?

vdupras 1y ago
Yes, every time Dusk boots, it boots from a kernel ranging from 2.5 to 4 kilobytes in size, depending on the CPU. The rest is all compiled (very quickly) from source on the fly.

thih9 1y ago

This and more is addressed on the "why.html" page. E.g.: > (...) you and I are likely to be dead before Collapse OS is actually useful. or: > People who are less technical have trouble seeing the point of this project and ask "why can't we just use Linux?". People who have actually lifted Linux' hood don't ask that question because they actually understand the magnitude of complexity involved, but if you haven't, it's a legitimate question to ask. https://collapseos.org/why.html https://collapseos.org/why.html