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I wish Google would stick with a design paradigm for a bit for once. It's not just their own apps that need updating, it's everyone else's, too. Most of which

I wish Google would stick with a design paradigm for a bit for once. It's not just their own apps that need updating, it's everyone else's, too. Most of which will never happen, so users are stuck in a hodgepodge of several generations of different design paradigms. Material was fine. So was Material 2. So was Material 3. So is Material 3 Expressive, I guess. Just stick with something!

wiseowise 1y ago
They've been copying iOS for years, time to bring some of that Windows "consistency" into the mix.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  To be fair, as of late, iOS has been copying Android more than the other way around - think notifications and widgets.
  - kridsdale3 1y ago
    Those were both more than 10 years ago.
    - bydo 1y ago
      And both from WebOS.
    - echoangle 1y ago
      Not really, the proper widgets people mean were introduced in iOS 14 which was 5 years ago.
- idontcareatall 1y ago
  It's astonishing that anyone can say this with a straight face. Just unbelievable the effect Apple has on some people. Gruber finally getting disenfranchised. Eeven my most annoying/obsessive iOS-fan friends have admitted that they are jealous of my camera, my ability to do real multi-tasking, upload photos with the screen off, have the audio and BT audio work reliably. It's just stunning what some iOS users don't know.
  - ngangaga 1y ago
    Do you think that audio (or bluetooth) doesn't work reliably on ios? Why?
    - lawgimenez 1y ago
      I worked on a couple of Internet of Things projects 5-6 years ago, working on Android was a breeze with BLE, and other IoT protocols. iOS on the other hand, you’re lucky you can get a pairing even. But I’m sure this has been improved today.
      - ngangaga 1y ago
        Interesting. I don't think I've ever tried to use this.
  - alpaca128 1y ago
    My iPhone is the only device I ever used where BT audio actually works without any issues or limitations. I think I've had a single half-second interruption in two years. I've used Android since version 2.3, it was far ahead for a while but got unbearably annoying. I'm not using iOS because of Apple but because of Google. Both Android and iOS still lag behind Windows Phone 8.1 in UX despite it being dead for 8 years now, and sadly that likely will never change. Too bad Microsoft didn't learn from it either.
  - hulitu 1y ago
    > It's astonishing that anyone can say this with a straight face I thought it was a joke. Consistency in Windows is long gone.
krackers 1y ago
Current "material design" is the anthesis of what "material design" was originally supposed to be.
- no_wizard 1y ago
  Which was what exactly? I always felt they had a nebulous definition
  - JamesSwift 1y ago
    I havent daily driven android with material 3, so I cant comment on what current state is, but original material was basically a heavy emphasis on "real world" z-index, thinking of your UI like a stack of documents on a table, + a "kinetic" feel. EDIT: also, I have to say as someone who did a lot of app dev on both iOS and android, I really appreciate the design system that google came up with in terms of codifying and simplifying especially the colors. They came up with a system that was able to distill your themes to something like 6 colors total (in the beginning, things have grown since) and that effectively served a vast majority of use cases and UI paradigms. And the way they categorized them made it really simple as an app dev to understand how and when to use them (also their grid was a much more 'engineering' way to think about things, and so that clicked with me as well)
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      As another android dev, I miss OG material. The shadow elevation thing was really cool.

wiseowise 1y ago

They've been copying iOS for years, time to bring some of that Windows "consistency" into the mix.

saubeidl 1y ago
To be fair, as of late, iOS has been copying Android more than the other way around - think notifications and widgets.
- kridsdale3 1y ago
  Those were both more than 10 years ago.
  - bydo 1y ago
    And both from WebOS.
  - echoangle 1y ago
    Not really, the proper widgets people mean were introduced in iOS 14 which was 5 years ago.
idontcareatall 1y ago
It's astonishing that anyone can say this with a straight face. Just unbelievable the effect Apple has on some people. Gruber finally getting disenfranchised. Eeven my most annoying/obsessive iOS-fan friends have admitted that they are jealous of my camera, my ability to do real multi-tasking, upload photos with the screen off, have the audio and BT audio work reliably. It's just stunning what some iOS users don't know.
- ngangaga 1y ago
  Do you think that audio (or bluetooth) doesn't work reliably on ios? Why?
  - lawgimenez 1y ago
    I worked on a couple of Internet of Things projects 5-6 years ago, working on Android was a breeze with BLE, and other IoT protocols. iOS on the other hand, you’re lucky you can get a pairing even. But I’m sure this has been improved today.
    - ngangaga 1y ago
      Interesting. I don't think I've ever tried to use this.
- alpaca128 1y ago
  My iPhone is the only device I ever used where BT audio actually works without any issues or limitations. I think I've had a single half-second interruption in two years. I've used Android since version 2.3, it was far ahead for a while but got unbearably annoying. I'm not using iOS because of Apple but because of Google. Both Android and iOS still lag behind Windows Phone 8.1 in UX despite it being dead for 8 years now, and sadly that likely will never change. Too bad Microsoft didn't learn from it either.
- hulitu 1y ago
  > It's astonishing that anyone can say this with a straight face I thought it was a joke. Consistency in Windows is long gone.

krackers 1y ago

Current "material design" is the anthesis of what "material design" was originally supposed to be.

no_wizard 1y ago
Which was what exactly? I always felt they had a nebulous definition
- JamesSwift 1y ago
  I havent daily driven android with material 3, so I cant comment on what current state is, but original material was basically a heavy emphasis on "real world" z-index, thinking of your UI like a stack of documents on a table, + a "kinetic" feel. EDIT: also, I have to say as someone who did a lot of app dev on both iOS and android, I really appreciate the design system that google came up with in terms of codifying and simplifying especially the colors. They came up with a system that was able to distill your themes to something like 6 colors total (in the beginning, things have grown since) and that effectively served a vast majority of use cases and UI paradigms. And the way they categorized them made it really simple as an app dev to understand how and when to use them (also their grid was a much more 'engineering' way to think about things, and so that clicked with me as well)
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    As another android dev, I miss OG material. The shadow elevation thing was really cool.