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> We don't want to create rules and govern how this is going to work on our public roads? Correct, the Republican Party does not want anyone to be able to regu

> We don't want to create rules and govern how this is going to work on our public roads? Correct, the Republican Party does not want anyone to be able to regulate that. > It's just going to be everyone for themselves, the vehicles will just follow rules meant for humans? The vehicles will follow whatever rules are in the best interest of the corporations that made them. I think the simplest, clearest way to interpret this legislation is that it's a straight transfer of power from individual citizens to AI corporations.

sershe 1y ago
Where do individual citizens come in here? This is a transfer to corporations and citizens, from governments and bureaucracies. The latter, when allowed to regulate, mostly prevent things from happening - housing, for example. Or new meds. Or wind farms. So, a good call imo
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  This would eliminate the right of citizens at the local or state level to regulate these things as they see fit.
  - sershe 1y ago
    That to me seems like amazing mental gymnastics. It would eliminate the right of distant citizen proxies to take away the actual rights from actual individual citizens. The proxies who, especially in single party states, can do whatever they or the loudest groups of nimbys and activists want, with impunity. Don't get me wrong, I don't like either party. But in this case they are doing a good thing even if for questionable reasons. Although also, I do think that fear of having California regulate ai innovation known to the state of California to cause cancer, combined with the large market "veto power", causing harm vs e.g. China with regard to ai progress, is pretty credible.
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  Individual citizens get screwed over without adequate regulation, as we've witnessed over and over again. Deregulation has brought you crappy internet access, broken healthcare, airplane crashes, and lack of meaningful consumer protection. And now you want what, an "intelligent" robot that comes up with a bunch of bullshit reasons to auto-reject your health insurance claims faster than a human can? How in the world can you call that "good"?
  - sershe 1y ago
    My internet access is great, healthcare is one of the most regulated and special-interest/union (AMA) captured industries in the USA and that is why it's broken, airplane crashes are extremely unlikely and in any case are more likely to increase due to the proactive gutting of dispatcher schools by govt for DEI reasons [1], not deregulation. Consumer protection in the US seems excessive in most areas to me, and perhaps about right in some (notably industries not suffering from crazy costs, like restaurants). By far not the most important but illustrative issue - I may believe we have removed enough dumb regulations once I can buy proper kinder eggs. [1] https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1887223600727662657 https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1887223600727662657
    - soraminazuki 1y ago
      Oh, so you're from that other universe. In America that the rest of us know, telecoms are among the most hated companies in the country [1]. Private equity are wrecking hospitals [2]. Drug prices are allowed to spiral out of control [3]. And oh my, you even went with the "airplane crashes are caused by DEI" racist BS. The FAA allowed Boeing to conduct safety inspections for their own planes [4], and that's supposed to be a "DEI problem" instead of a spectacular lack of real regulation? You can't even cancel your gym without sending a certified mail [5], and that to you is "excessive consumer protection." You need to get your reality in check. [1]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/internet-service-providers-hated_n_3320473 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/internet-service-providers-ha... [2]: https://arstechnica.com/health/2024/01/hospitals-slash-staff-services-quality-of-care-when-private-equity-takes-over/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2024/01/hospitals-slash-staff... [3]: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/dubious-56000-alzheimers-drug-spurs-largest-medicare-price-hike-ever/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/dubious-56000-alzhei... [4]: https://archive.is/2024.01.12-153350/https://www.ft.com/content/1588974e-db75-4a02-9aff-deb0b75ed379 https://archive.is/2024.01.12-153350/https://www.ft.com/cont... [5]: https://consumerrights.wiki/Click-to-cancel https://consumerrights.wiki/Click-to-cancel
- munificent 1y ago
  In a democracy, government is an aggregate of the will of citizens because they are able to vote and participate.
  - sershe 1y ago
    Well, how do you feel about the aggregated will of citizens currently being enacted federally? Even on major issues, current govts are imperfect proxies at best. Bureaucracies are even worse and less accountable. On minor (in the eyes of the voters), both can do whatever they want with no impact from voters
    - munificent 1y ago
      > how do you feel about the aggregated will of citizens currently being enacted federally? It's certainly not perfect, but it seems to work fairly well. I certainly haven't received any ballots to select, say, the next CEO of Meta, so I'll take it over ceding all authority to corporations. > Bureaucracies are even worse and less accountable. Less accountable than a corporation that is beholden only to faceless shareholders? Seems unlikely to me.
      - sershe 1y ago
        You are a forced customer of a bureaucracy, so the standards are a little bit different. Corporations are accountable to their paying customers. Not perfectly. However, your ability to hold Meta or Amazon or whatever to account for things you paid for, and the ability to not pay/use them anymore is, while not as extensive as ideal, a lot more extensive than the same for FDA or ICE.

sershe 1y ago

Where do individual citizens come in here? This is a transfer to corporations and citizens, from governments and bureaucracies. The latter, when allowed to regulate, mostly prevent things from happening - housing, for example. Or new meds. Or wind farms. So, a good call imo

Jtsummers 1y ago
This would eliminate the right of citizens at the local or state level to regulate these things as they see fit.
- sershe 1y ago
  That to me seems like amazing mental gymnastics. It would eliminate the right of distant citizen proxies to take away the actual rights from actual individual citizens. The proxies who, especially in single party states, can do whatever they or the loudest groups of nimbys and activists want, with impunity. Don't get me wrong, I don't like either party. But in this case they are doing a good thing even if for questionable reasons. Although also, I do think that fear of having California regulate ai innovation known to the state of California to cause cancer, combined with the large market "veto power", causing harm vs e.g. China with regard to ai progress, is pretty credible.
soraminazuki 1y ago
Individual citizens get screwed over without adequate regulation, as we've witnessed over and over again. Deregulation has brought you crappy internet access, broken healthcare, airplane crashes, and lack of meaningful consumer protection. And now you want what, an "intelligent" robot that comes up with a bunch of bullshit reasons to auto-reject your health insurance claims faster than a human can? How in the world can you call that "good"?
- sershe 1y ago
  My internet access is great, healthcare is one of the most regulated and special-interest/union (AMA) captured industries in the USA and that is why it's broken, airplane crashes are extremely unlikely and in any case are more likely to increase due to the proactive gutting of dispatcher schools by govt for DEI reasons [1], not deregulation. Consumer protection in the US seems excessive in most areas to me, and perhaps about right in some (notably industries not suffering from crazy costs, like restaurants). By far not the most important but illustrative issue - I may believe we have removed enough dumb regulations once I can buy proper kinder eggs. [1] https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1887223600727662657 https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1887223600727662657
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    Oh, so you're from that other universe. In America that the rest of us know, telecoms are among the most hated companies in the country [1]. Private equity are wrecking hospitals [2]. Drug prices are allowed to spiral out of control [3]. And oh my, you even went with the "airplane crashes are caused by DEI" racist BS. The FAA allowed Boeing to conduct safety inspections for their own planes [4], and that's supposed to be a "DEI problem" instead of a spectacular lack of real regulation? You can't even cancel your gym without sending a certified mail [5], and that to you is "excessive consumer protection." You need to get your reality in check. [1]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/internet-service-providers-hated_n_3320473 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/internet-service-providers-ha... [2]: https://arstechnica.com/health/2024/01/hospitals-slash-staff-services-quality-of-care-when-private-equity-takes-over/ https://arstechnica.com/health/2024/01/hospitals-slash-staff... [3]: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/dubious-56000-alzheimers-drug-spurs-largest-medicare-price-hike-ever/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/dubious-56000-alzhei... [4]: https://archive.is/2024.01.12-153350/https://www.ft.com/content/1588974e-db75-4a02-9aff-deb0b75ed379 https://archive.is/2024.01.12-153350/https://www.ft.com/cont... [5]: https://consumerrights.wiki/Click-to-cancel https://consumerrights.wiki/Click-to-cancel
munificent 1y ago
In a democracy, government is an aggregate of the will of citizens because they are able to vote and participate.
- sershe 1y ago
  Well, how do you feel about the aggregated will of citizens currently being enacted federally? Even on major issues, current govts are imperfect proxies at best. Bureaucracies are even worse and less accountable. On minor (in the eyes of the voters), both can do whatever they want with no impact from voters
  - munificent 1y ago
    > how do you feel about the aggregated will of citizens currently being enacted federally? It's certainly not perfect, but it seems to work fairly well. I certainly haven't received any ballots to select, say, the next CEO of Meta, so I'll take it over ceding all authority to corporations. > Bureaucracies are even worse and less accountable. Less accountable than a corporation that is beholden only to faceless shareholders? Seems unlikely to me.
    - sershe 1y ago
      You are a forced customer of a bureaucracy, so the standards are a little bit different. Corporations are accountable to their paying customers. Not perfectly. However, your ability to hold Meta or Amazon or whatever to account for things you paid for, and the ability to not pay/use them anymore is, while not as extensive as ideal, a lot more extensive than the same for FDA or ICE.