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> I genuinely don't understand how this can be a coup when all three branches agree. The courts have been captured and politicized heavily. Clearance Thomas sh

> I genuinely don't understand how this can be a coup when all three branches agree. The courts have been captured and politicized heavily. Clearance Thomas should be expelled for emoluments. Kavanaugh also for lying on the stand. Congress has a bare majority for republicans. So getting impeachments for actual crimes by republicans is a non-starter. POTUS and executive branch can run roughshod, and order all sorts of illegal actions. Congress won't impeach. And they can pardon anybody underneath them. Musk is a perfect example - no clearance, yet somehow 'legally' is destroying sections of government that was investigating him. And given a complete pass. Its also how ICE can kidnap and traffick people, all the while flaunting disobeidance from a federal judge. This is a coup by the oligarchy against the people. And aside violent uprisings (of which I do not condone), there's not much at all we can do.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
>The courts have been captured and politicized heavily This isn't a real thing. They're not captured, people are just on them that you don't like and they're ruling against your values. >Congress has a bare majority for republicans So the majority is governing?
- mystraline 1y ago
  So, emoluments violations, bribery, and perjury should be legal? I wasn't calling out party political disputes. I was calling out taking massive bribes, violating the emoluments clause, and perjury. Your politics are showing. I prefer rule of law, not of kakistocrat.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    Where have you been for the past 25 years?? These are par for the course in our governing class. This isn't whataboutism, this is extensive behavior that we've seen for at least a generation now (e.g. expensive speeches to Wall St, congressional insider trading, revolving door of regulators/industry)
    - hackyhacky 1y ago
      > Where have you been for the past 25 years? This is a very myopic view. In the past 3 months, we've seen curtailing of civil liberties (bypassing due process), open bribery (memecoin pay-to-play, Qatari airplane), illegal interference with independent agencies (firing head of CFPB), executive overreach ("emergency" tariffs), violations of free speech (punishing law firms for their clients), etc. None of this is precedented at this scale. What you are doing is exactly what aboutism, by claiming that minor transgressions in the past excuse blatant authoritarianism.
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        The Clinton Foundation somehow wasn't open bribery? That was the most powerful political family in America for a generation. You think people paid him&her for speeches because they're talented orators? Pelosi insider trading is a minor transgression? She was the most powerful congressman for years. You think she didn't do anything to earn those stock tips?
        hackyhacky 1y ago
        Wow, it's like you didn't even read/understand my comment. Yes, those are problems. Congressional stock trading should be illegal, although it isn't at the moment. The Clinton Foundation was noticeably founded after Bill Clinton was president; lots of presidents get money for speeches, but typically after they hold elected office. What you are missing is the scale and openness of the current corruption. Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, received a pearl necklace valued at $425 from Bangladeshi Prime Minister and was not allowed to keep it; now, Trump is getting a $400 million plane from the Qataris and apparently is allowed to keep it. Does that seem the same to you?
  - asacrowflies 1y ago
    There is no arguing with these people they don't have objectivity or critical thinking.they will just take this as a personal attack and dig in more. The only thing left is to prepare for the violent insurrection (which you don't condone) and maybe pray for the pendulum to swing the other way and we can have a parallel to McCarthyism purging the unamerican magats from our midst.
- hackyhacky 1y ago
  > This isn't a real thing. They're not captured, people are just on them that you don't like and they're ruling against your values. They're not ruling against "my values", they're actually illegally. The people who are supposed to stop them aren't, and are thus captured.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

>The courts have been captured and politicized heavily This isn't a real thing. They're not captured, people are just on them that you don't like and they're ruling against your values. >Congress has a bare majority for republicans So the majority is governing?

mystraline 1y ago
So, emoluments violations, bribery, and perjury should be legal? I wasn't calling out party political disputes. I was calling out taking massive bribes, violating the emoluments clause, and perjury. Your politics are showing. I prefer rule of law, not of kakistocrat.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Where have you been for the past 25 years?? These are par for the course in our governing class. This isn't whataboutism, this is extensive behavior that we've seen for at least a generation now (e.g. expensive speeches to Wall St, congressional insider trading, revolving door of regulators/industry)
  - hackyhacky 1y ago
    > Where have you been for the past 25 years? This is a very myopic view. In the past 3 months, we've seen curtailing of civil liberties (bypassing due process), open bribery (memecoin pay-to-play, Qatari airplane), illegal interference with independent agencies (firing head of CFPB), executive overreach ("emergency" tariffs), violations of free speech (punishing law firms for their clients), etc. None of this is precedented at this scale. What you are doing is exactly what aboutism, by claiming that minor transgressions in the past excuse blatant authoritarianism.
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      The Clinton Foundation somehow wasn't open bribery? That was the most powerful political family in America for a generation. You think people paid him&her for speeches because they're talented orators? Pelosi insider trading is a minor transgression? She was the most powerful congressman for years. You think she didn't do anything to earn those stock tips?
      - hackyhacky 1y ago
        Wow, it's like you didn't even read/understand my comment. Yes, those are problems. Congressional stock trading should be illegal, although it isn't at the moment. The Clinton Foundation was noticeably founded after Bill Clinton was president; lots of presidents get money for speeches, but typically after they hold elected office. What you are missing is the scale and openness of the current corruption. Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, received a pearl necklace valued at $425 from Bangladeshi Prime Minister and was not allowed to keep it; now, Trump is getting a $400 million plane from the Qataris and apparently is allowed to keep it. Does that seem the same to you?
- asacrowflies 1y ago
  There is no arguing with these people they don't have objectivity or critical thinking.they will just take this as a personal attack and dig in more. The only thing left is to prepare for the violent insurrection (which you don't condone) and maybe pray for the pendulum to swing the other way and we can have a parallel to McCarthyism purging the unamerican magats from our midst.
hackyhacky 1y ago
> This isn't a real thing. They're not captured, people are just on them that you don't like and they're ruling against your values. They're not ruling against "my values", they're actually illegally. The people who are supposed to stop them aren't, and are thus captured.