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Zellij is a really nice, modern alternative to screen and tmux, and they've done a great job at having good defaults as well as making the UI easily discoverabl

Zellij is a really nice, modern alternative to screen and tmux, and they've done a great job at having good defaults as well as making the UI easily discoverable. I'd highly recommend it to anyone else who felt dubious about the benefit-to-effort ratio of terminal multiplexers. https://zellij.dev https://zellij.dev https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij

collinvandyck76 1y ago
I gave it a shot a couple years ago -- pretty slick. But the latency was noticeable compared to tmux, which I remain using today. I admit that I'm kind of sensitive to it, as at the time I was already on a latent connection.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  I personally haven't noticed that, but we all have different sensitivity levels to such things. Have you tried it more recently? A couple years ago is ancient in its lifespan. I'd be curious to see if it still feels sluggish to you. (Not a dev, just another end user.)
  - collinvandyck76 1y ago
    No, haven't tried recently, but will make a note to do so. Agree that a couple of years is an eternity :)
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      Right on. I'd love to hear back about that. It could also be in my case that I use it so little that some latency is tolerable. I don't develop interactively in zellij or tmux. I mainly keep some logs tailing, and DB consoles open, etc, and I don't check them super often.
afmrak 1y ago
Last time I looked at Zellij it looked like a great new project in the multiplexer ecosystem, but didn't support a purely keyboard-driven copy/paste mechanism. I use that extensively and couldn't do without. So tmux it is until that gets added.
- gitaarik 1y ago
  Yeah, I also use that all the time. I use the terminal because I want to use my keyboard, not the mouse. And copy / pasting is something I do very very often. So I don't understand why people make a terminal multiplexer and don't add this feature. In screen & tmux you can also use vim shortcuts to navigate the scrollback buffer. That is so convenient and makes me work so fast. I can search for a snippet close to where I want to copy some text, and then navigate more precisely with the vim shortcuts. So that's the first thing I look for in a terminal multiplexer, because if you're gonna expect that I'm gonna put my right hand off the keyboard and use the MOUSE to awkwardly select some text in a TERMINAL, then you expected wrong.
fergie 1y ago
Thats nice and all, but I really, really like screen and its commands are burned into my muscle memory. I've been using it for more than 20 years.
- gitaarik 1y ago
  I had the same when I was trying out tmux first time. But eventually I configured tmux to very closely match screen's shortcuts. Just a few things are different, but I got back some extra features and plugins from tmux with it. If you're interested I can share my config.

collinvandyck76 1y ago

I gave it a shot a couple years ago -- pretty slick. But the latency was noticeable compared to tmux, which I remain using today. I admit that I'm kind of sensitive to it, as at the time I was already on a latent connection.

kstrauser 1y ago
I personally haven't noticed that, but we all have different sensitivity levels to such things. Have you tried it more recently? A couple years ago is ancient in its lifespan. I'd be curious to see if it still feels sluggish to you. (Not a dev, just another end user.)
- collinvandyck76 1y ago
  No, haven't tried recently, but will make a note to do so. Agree that a couple of years is an eternity :)
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    Right on. I'd love to hear back about that. It could also be in my case that I use it so little that some latency is tolerable. I don't develop interactively in zellij or tmux. I mainly keep some logs tailing, and DB consoles open, etc, and I don't check them super often.

afmrak 1y ago

Last time I looked at Zellij it looked like a great new project in the multiplexer ecosystem, but didn't support a purely keyboard-driven copy/paste mechanism. I use that extensively and couldn't do without. So tmux it is until that gets added.

gitaarik 1y ago
Yeah, I also use that all the time. I use the terminal because I want to use my keyboard, not the mouse. And copy / pasting is something I do very very often. So I don't understand why people make a terminal multiplexer and don't add this feature. In screen & tmux you can also use vim shortcuts to navigate the scrollback buffer. That is so convenient and makes me work so fast. I can search for a snippet close to where I want to copy some text, and then navigate more precisely with the vim shortcuts. So that's the first thing I look for in a terminal multiplexer, because if you're gonna expect that I'm gonna put my right hand off the keyboard and use the MOUSE to awkwardly select some text in a TERMINAL, then you expected wrong.

fergie 1y ago

Thats nice and all, but I really, really like screen and its commands are burned into my muscle memory. I've been using it for more than 20 years.

gitaarik 1y ago
I had the same when I was trying out tmux first time. But eventually I configured tmux to very closely match screen's shortcuts. Just a few things are different, but I got back some extra features and plugins from tmux with it. If you're interested I can share my config.