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Are there any non-toy implementations of Forth?

by oytis 1y ago

quasidasimagasi 1y ago
I guess this is supposed to be some kind of trolling, nonetheless: mecrisp is great and definitively no toy.
- larsbrinkhoff 1y ago
  In fairness, there's an over abundance of toy Forths. And I say that as a fan and professional Forth programmer.
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haolez 1y ago
There are probably several, but I had contact in the beginning of my career with a company that made industrial printers. They said that, in the first years of the company (80s), adopting FORTH gave them an edge over the competitors and it was the main (tech) factor of their success. They implemented their firmware in FORTH with some PostScript wizardry as well.
rwmj 1y ago
gforth (https://www.gnu.org/software/gforth/ https://www.gnu.org/software/gforth/) is non-toy, although at the same time I'm not aware of commercial products that might use it.
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- MaxBarraclough 1y ago
  Gforth and pForth [0] are the usual Free and Open Source go-to Forths. Gforth is quite good at pointing out silly mistakes in your code. Unfortunately Gforth doesn't have great Windows support, and neither of them have very strong FFI. There are a number of proprietary payware Forths for desktop/server: vfxForth, [1] SwiftForth, [2] and iForth. [3] There are also various Forths for all sorts of embedded platforms, many of them FOSS. [0] https://github.com/philburk/pforth https://github.com/philburk/pforth [1] https://vfxforth.com/ https://vfxforth.com/ [2] https://www.forth.com/swiftforth/ https://www.forth.com/swiftforth/ [3] https://iforth.nl/ https://iforth.nl/
mike_ivanov 1y ago
also Factor (https://factorcode.org/ https://factorcode.org/)
- a4isms 1y ago
  As long as we're talking about concatenative languages, here's Joy: https://hypercubed.github.io/joy/joy.html https://hypercubed.github.io/joy/joy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language)
alexisread 1y ago
Try https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/docs/makoBasics.md https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/docs/makoBas... and https://github.com/ablevm/able-forth/tree/current https://github.com/ablevm/able-forth/tree/current In addition to the others mentioned here. It's a shame the able gui was not open sourced.
yellowapple 1y ago
OpenFirmware/OpenBoot, i.e. the "BIOS" on a lot of SPARC and PowerPC machines, is one such implementation. It irks me to this day that various hardware ecosystems ended up going for things like UEFI and uBoot when OF already existed.
astrobe_ 1y ago
I don't know what qualifies has "non-toy", but Forth has been used in various toys [1] [1] https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps/ https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps/

Are there any non-toy implementations of Forth?

by oytis 1y ago

Are there any non-toy implementations of Forth?

quasidasimagasi 1y ago

I guess this is supposed to be some kind of trolling, nonetheless: mecrisp is great and definitively no toy.

larsbrinkhoff 1y ago
In fairness, there's an over abundance of toy Forths. And I say that as a fan and professional Forth programmer.

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haolez 1y ago

There are probably several, but I had contact in the beginning of my career with a company that made industrial printers. They said that, in the first years of the company (80s), adopting FORTH gave them an edge over the competitors and it was the main (tech) factor of their success. They implemented their firmware in FORTH with some PostScript wizardry as well.

rwmj 1y ago

gforth (https://www.gnu.org/software/gforth/ https://www.gnu.org/software/gforth/) is non-toy, although at the same time I'm not aware of commercial products that might use it.

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MaxBarraclough 1y ago
Gforth and pForth [0] are the usual Free and Open Source go-to Forths. Gforth is quite good at pointing out silly mistakes in your code. Unfortunately Gforth doesn't have great Windows support, and neither of them have very strong FFI. There are a number of proprietary payware Forths for desktop/server: vfxForth, [1] SwiftForth, [2] and iForth. [3] There are also various Forths for all sorts of embedded platforms, many of them FOSS. [0] https://github.com/philburk/pforth https://github.com/philburk/pforth [1] https://vfxforth.com/ https://vfxforth.com/ [2] https://www.forth.com/swiftforth/ https://www.forth.com/swiftforth/ [3] https://iforth.nl/ https://iforth.nl/

mike_ivanov 1y ago

also Factor (https://factorcode.org/ https://factorcode.org/)

a4isms 1y ago
As long as we're talking about concatenative languages, here's Joy: https://hypercubed.github.io/joy/joy.html https://hypercubed.github.io/joy/joy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language)

alexisread 1y ago

Try https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/docs/makoBasics.md https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/docs/makoBas... and https://github.com/ablevm/able-forth/tree/current https://github.com/ablevm/able-forth/tree/current In addition to the others mentioned here. It's a shame the able gui was not open sourced.

yellowapple 1y ago

OpenFirmware/OpenBoot, i.e. the "BIOS" on a lot of SPARC and PowerPC machines, is one such implementation. It irks me to this day that various hardware ecosystems ended up going for things like UEFI and uBoot when OF already existed.

astrobe_ 1y ago

I don't know what qualifies has "non-toy", but Forth has been used in various toys [1] [1] https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps/ https://www.forth.com/resources/forth-apps/