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Parent comment says "the opportunity created by Nazi ideological purges of scientists" , which is not the same as "Nazi scientists". Did you see the "Oppenheim

Parent comment says "the opportunity created by Nazi ideological purges of scientists" , which is not the same as "Nazi scientists". Did you see the "Oppenheimer" movie? Check the real physicists depicted working on the Manhattan project. A large number of them were European Jews who left before or during the war. Einstein, Teller, Szilard, Hornig. Even some others left Europe because of this: Niels Bohr (Jewish Mother) and Enrico Fermi (Jewish Wife). To be sure there was Wernher von Braun and co as well. In fact, it would be quicker to list the Manhattan project physicists depicted in that movie who were not Jewish at all: * Ernest Lawrence * Luis Walter Alvarez

AStonesThrow 1y ago
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- ben_w 1y ago
  > Is America enough of a "melting pot" that we can withstand that sort of outsized foreign influence within our borders? Depends. If your idea of America consists of just the pre-colonial native groups, Navajo etc., then America was already gone a century and a half ago. But the America of 1925 had exactly the same arguments about Italians, and of 1845 about the Irish, in that the local born were complaining a lot and didn't trust the newcomers. The melting pot has been melting for a long time now; you're a big endless stew of a country. (Except for the "real" natives, if there is such a thing).
- vessenes 1y ago
  You talk about this like it's an accident almost. It was a considered Federal policy to brain drain as hard as possible. Anecdotally, I too worry about the influx of the dirty Irish into our borders, stealing good jobs and spreading their Irish culture. Oh, sorry, I forgot it's not 1940. In my opinion, America has a strong, strong culture -- brain drained scientist's kids in general look pretty integrated to me, at least the ones I know.
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
  > These are markedly distinct career paths from the ones taken by homegrown Jews, Actually "Oppenheimer" the movie also supplies examples of two very different New York Jewish backgrounds: J Robert Oppenheimer, from an affluent, non-religious family - with an Upper West side apartment and a summer vacation home on Long Island. His father came to the USA as a teenager, and prospered in business. Isidor Isaac Rabi, from an orthodox, Yiddish-speaking family living in a two-room apartment on the Lower East Side. He was born shortly before the family came to the USA.

AStonesThrow 1y ago

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ben_w 1y ago
> Is America enough of a "melting pot" that we can withstand that sort of outsized foreign influence within our borders? Depends. If your idea of America consists of just the pre-colonial native groups, Navajo etc., then America was already gone a century and a half ago. But the America of 1925 had exactly the same arguments about Italians, and of 1845 about the Irish, in that the local born were complaining a lot and didn't trust the newcomers. The melting pot has been melting for a long time now; you're a big endless stew of a country. (Except for the "real" natives, if there is such a thing).
vessenes 1y ago
You talk about this like it's an accident almost. It was a considered Federal policy to brain drain as hard as possible. Anecdotally, I too worry about the influx of the dirty Irish into our borders, stealing good jobs and spreading their Irish culture. Oh, sorry, I forgot it's not 1940. In my opinion, America has a strong, strong culture -- brain drained scientist's kids in general look pretty integrated to me, at least the ones I know.
SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
> These are markedly distinct career paths from the ones taken by homegrown Jews, Actually "Oppenheimer" the movie also supplies examples of two very different New York Jewish backgrounds: J Robert Oppenheimer, from an affluent, non-religious family - with an Upper West side apartment and a summer vacation home on Long Island. His father came to the USA as a teenager, and prospered in business. Isidor Isaac Rabi, from an orthodox, Yiddish-speaking family living in a two-room apartment on the Lower East Side. He was born shortly before the family came to the USA.