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They weren't paranoid because nobody was out to get them. They could keep employees by treating them better. Employees leaving was only a reflection of their ow

They weren't paranoid because nobody was out to get them. They could keep employees by treating them better. Employees leaving was only a reflection of their own inadequacies. So yeah, maybe bosses were out to screw themselves. Is that paranoia?

nkmnz 1y ago
Where can I find an inadequate boss so that I can finally start my own biz?
izacus 1y ago
There hasn't been a more pampered worker than a programmer during COVID. What else could the employers have done to "treat them better" during that time to avoid having workers exploit it?
- vineyardmike 1y ago
  Nobody wants to work anymore /s People can be paid better, given better hours, more flexibility, more responsibilities, less responsibilities, better benefits, etc. If lots of people don’t want to do a job, and that job has trouble keeping quality employees, it’s the job that’s broken, not the people. Plenty of people were treated great when WFH, but it’s not a universal truth that everyone was.
  - izacus 1y ago
    During COVID, developers were among the highest comped individuals in US, could work from home, could work flexible hours. So concretely, what more could they give? How much is the comp that wouldn't get abused?
    - Chinjut 1y ago
      What does it mean to "abuse" compensation?
      - const_cast 1y ago
        There's this strange belief that work (labor) isn't like other types of goods and that a good pay should result in above-and-beyond performance. Rather than that pay simply just being the cost of labor. When eggs went up from 4 dollars to 8, nobody expected them to taste twice as good. That's just what they cost now. But when developers go from 80,000 to 160,000 on average or something (arbitrary numbers), people do expect them to work twice as hard. Otherwise, they're abusing their employer. As if employers even could be abused.
      - izacus 1y ago
        People ran their own businesses or worked multiple jobs in time they were paid for by the employer. As in - took the money and didn't do the job.
- JoeAltmaier 1y ago
  That's a bold statement. How about pay them commensurate with their value to the product? Have reasonable work hours? Whatever made them leave, fix that. For instance. Wait, that above comment sounds like a disgruntle 'boss' who is lashing out. So, no answer will be adequate. That poisonous attitude is typical of why programmers were leaving.
- nitwit005 1y ago
  They paid my CEO tens of millions to keep them. Apparently that's reasonable. If you have to pay people more to keep them, you have to pay people more to keep them. People picking the best option isn't exploitation. They don't owe you or anyone else anything.

nkmnz 1y ago

Where can I find an inadequate boss so that I can finally start my own biz?

izacus 1y ago

There hasn't been a more pampered worker than a programmer during COVID. What else could the employers have done to "treat them better" during that time to avoid having workers exploit it?

vineyardmike 1y ago
Nobody wants to work anymore /s People can be paid better, given better hours, more flexibility, more responsibilities, less responsibilities, better benefits, etc. If lots of people don’t want to do a job, and that job has trouble keeping quality employees, it’s the job that’s broken, not the people. Plenty of people were treated great when WFH, but it’s not a universal truth that everyone was.
- izacus 1y ago
  During COVID, developers were among the highest comped individuals in US, could work from home, could work flexible hours. So concretely, what more could they give? How much is the comp that wouldn't get abused?
  - Chinjut 1y ago
    What does it mean to "abuse" compensation?
    - const_cast 1y ago
      There's this strange belief that work (labor) isn't like other types of goods and that a good pay should result in above-and-beyond performance. Rather than that pay simply just being the cost of labor. When eggs went up from 4 dollars to 8, nobody expected them to taste twice as good. That's just what they cost now. But when developers go from 80,000 to 160,000 on average or something (arbitrary numbers), people do expect them to work twice as hard. Otherwise, they're abusing their employer. As if employers even could be abused.
    - izacus 1y ago
      People ran their own businesses or worked multiple jobs in time they were paid for by the employer. As in - took the money and didn't do the job.
JoeAltmaier 1y ago
That's a bold statement. How about pay them commensurate with their value to the product? Have reasonable work hours? Whatever made them leave, fix that. For instance. Wait, that above comment sounds like a disgruntle 'boss' who is lashing out. So, no answer will be adequate. That poisonous attitude is typical of why programmers were leaving.
nitwit005 1y ago
They paid my CEO tens of millions to keep them. Apparently that's reasonable. If you have to pay people more to keep them, you have to pay people more to keep them. People picking the best option isn't exploitation. They don't owe you or anyone else anything.