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They're working on it: https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/05/europe-launches-program-to-lure-scientists-away-from-the-us/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2025

They're working on it: https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/05/europe-launches-program-to-lure-scientists-away-from-the-us/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/05/europe-launches-prog... Here's an article from a European perspective: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/usa-scientists-looking-to-leave-the-u-s-for-more-welcoming-environments-a-989ca73f-1dc9-4205-8405-1dc901c3623a#ref=rss https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/usa-scientists-lo...

mettamage 1y ago
500 million euro's to attract scientists? I asked ChatGPT, it thought for 3 minutes and 36 seconds. You can see the Q&A here [1]. Assuming that a one year salary of the average scientist is 100K euro's [2] then that means you're trying to attract an extra 1250 scientists that will work for 4 years. That doesn't sound like a lot on a continental scale. [1] https://chatgpt.com/share/682376a6-5c68-8005-89ab-2bedd453c754 https://chatgpt.com/share/682376a6-5c68-8005-89ab-2bedd453c7... [2] It's definitely lower than 100K, but it allows for unexpected hidden overhead that ChatGPT potentially didn't account for.
- vessenes 1y ago
  Here’s the thing: scientists follow roughly a double power law in breakthrough and skills. What if that 1250 is 50 top tier and 1200 of their chosen lab mates?
  - mettamage 1y ago
    That's fair
- burkaman 1y ago
  I respect your opinion, to me it does sound like a lot, and it's also on top of many existing programs and a few other new things included in this announcement. > The initiative also includes a target for member states to allocate 3 percent of their GDP to R&D projects by 2030. [...] The plan, originally proposed by the French government, also proposes creating long-term “super grants” for outstanding researchers, to provide them with financial stability; these would last for seven years. The program also plans to double the amount of financial support available this year for those who decide to move to the European Union. You can get a sense of everything they have available here: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/research-and-innovation/choose-europe_en https://commission.europa.eu/topics/research-and-innovation/....
  - mettamage 1y ago
    Ah, thanks for showing me more context about it. I considered the 500 million too much into isolation
- j7ake 1y ago
  1000 scientists is a lot. The entire Microsoft research department is about 1000 scientists, and they are a productive bunch

mettamage 1y ago

500 million euro's to attract scientists? I asked ChatGPT, it thought for 3 minutes and 36 seconds. You can see the Q&A here [1]. Assuming that a one year salary of the average scientist is 100K euro's [2] then that means you're trying to attract an extra 1250 scientists that will work for 4 years. That doesn't sound like a lot on a continental scale. [1] https://chatgpt.com/share/682376a6-5c68-8005-89ab-2bedd453c754 https://chatgpt.com/share/682376a6-5c68-8005-89ab-2bedd453c7... [2] It's definitely lower than 100K, but it allows for unexpected hidden overhead that ChatGPT potentially didn't account for.

vessenes 1y ago
Here’s the thing: scientists follow roughly a double power law in breakthrough and skills. What if that 1250 is 50 top tier and 1200 of their chosen lab mates?
- mettamage 1y ago
  That's fair
burkaman 1y ago
I respect your opinion, to me it does sound like a lot, and it's also on top of many existing programs and a few other new things included in this announcement. > The initiative also includes a target for member states to allocate 3 percent of their GDP to R&D projects by 2030. [...] The plan, originally proposed by the French government, also proposes creating long-term “super grants” for outstanding researchers, to provide them with financial stability; these would last for seven years. The program also plans to double the amount of financial support available this year for those who decide to move to the European Union. You can get a sense of everything they have available here: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/research-and-innovation/choose-europe_en https://commission.europa.eu/topics/research-and-innovation/....
- mettamage 1y ago
  Ah, thanks for showing me more context about it. I considered the 500 million too much into isolation
j7ake 1y ago
1000 scientists is a lot. The entire Microsoft research department is about 1000 scientists, and they are a productive bunch