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AI is a million times better than Google search. I don't see how it doesn't replace Google search in a few years. AI code completion is god mode. While I seldo

AI is a million times better than Google search. I don't see how it doesn't replace Google search in a few years. AI code completion is god mode. While I seldom prompt for new code, AI code autocompletion during refactoring is 1000x faster than plumbing fields manually. I can do extremely complicated and big refactors with ease, and that's coming from someone who made big use of static typing, IDEs, and AST-based refactoring. It's legitimately faster than thought. And finally, it's really nice to ask about new APIs or pose questions you would normally pour over docs or Google and find answers on Stack Overflow. It's so much better and faster. We're watching the world change in the biggest way since smartphones and the internet. AI isn't a crappy consultant. It's an expansion of the mind.

skydhash 2y ago
> AI code autocompletion during refactoring is 1000x faster than plumbing fields manually. I can do extremely complicated and big refactors with ease, and that's coming from someone who made big use of static typing, IDEs, and AST-based refactoring. It's legitimately faster than thought. Unless you know Vim!
- bayindirh 2y ago
  > Unless you know Vim! or the IDE (or text editor for that matter) well. People don't want to spend time understanding, appreciating and learning the tool they use, and call them useless...
  - layer8 2y ago
    That's funny, because I have little patience with having to spend time finding out how to coax the AI into doing what I effing want, and much prefer the reliable and deterministic IDE features.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      It's funny and sad, and I'm on the same page with you. I use some tools close to two decades and can do things people can't fathom in no time, for a very long time. I don't bend the tool, even. It's what it's designed to do.
bayindirh 2y ago
AI is just a weighted graph which stands on shoulders of a million giants. However, it can't cite, can't fact check, doesn't know when it's hallucinating, and its creators doesn't respect any of the work which they need to feed to that graph to make it to fake its all knowledgeable accent. Tech is useful, how it's built is very unethical, and how it's worshiped is sad.
- jaoane 2y ago
  I think you are a bit outdated, since state of the art AIs can cite and fact check just fine.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Give them tools, maybe, but "The network" can't do it natively. They doesn't have an understanding, can't filter out "ad absurdum". Plus they can only go so deep. Maybe they can hit snopes and check something, but I don't believe current ones even with tools do detailed cross examination with open ended research and stop when they are convinced that they have enough data.
    - jaoane 2y ago
      That's like saying that humans can't tighten screws because they need screwdrivers.
      - bayindirh 2y ago
        Nope. This is akin having no long term memory and don't able to tell when and where you learnt that water boils at 100 degrees C first, and it in fact burns very badly.
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- danielbln 2y ago
  Modern LLM offerings can use tools, including search, and that (like most good RAG) enables citation and fact checking. If you use LLMs like it's late 2022 and you just opened ChatGPT, then that's not indicative on how you should be using LLMs today.
codechicago277 2y ago
This is true. Just like a crappy consultant, AI lets you offload the repetitive, monotonous work so that you can focus your time on the big architectural problems. Of course you can write a better function if you spend a lot of time on it, but there’s magic in just letting the AI write the off the shelf version and move on.
- skydhash 2y ago
  Where are these repetitive, monotonous work so I can se send a job application there. Even on a greenfield project, I rarely spend more than a day setting up the scaffolding and that’s for something I’ve not touched before. And for refactoring and tests, this is where Vim/Emacs comes in.
  - cess11 2y ago
    Many people doing code for money never or only rarely used any form of code generation until it was given to them as a SaaS in exchange for copies of the code they work on. I've been surprised by this for a long time, having seen coworkers spend days typing in things manually that they could have put there with IDE capabilities, search-replace, find -exec or a five minute script.
  - echelon 2y ago
    > And for refactoring and tests, this is where Vim/Emacs comes in. I've used Vim bindings and strongly typed languages with IDEs that have strong AST-based refactoring my entire career. Nothing comes close to changing one condition of a test and having the AI autocomplete magically suggest the correct series of ten updates that fix the test. In under the blink of an eye, too. Everything is truly changing in big ways.
    - skydhash 2y ago
      > Nothing comes close to changing one condition of a test and having the AI autocomplete magically suggest the correct series of ten updates that fix the test. In under the blink of an eye, too. But why are you doing this? Granted, you may have a longer career than I do, but I never once think: The test condition is wrong, let's update it. Oh, I wish I could update the code alongside it!.
tim333 2y ago
Google sees that and is trying to incorporate AI.
- echelon 2y ago
  They have to defend 100% of it to just stay in place.
player1234 1y ago
How did you measure a million times better than google search, and 1000 faster refactoring. Can you please share your bench marks and methodology?

skydhash 2y ago

> AI code autocompletion during refactoring is 1000x faster than plumbing fields manually. I can do extremely complicated and big refactors with ease, and that's coming from someone who made big use of static typing, IDEs, and AST-based refactoring. It's legitimately faster than thought. Unless you know Vim!

bayindirh 2y ago
> Unless you know Vim! or the IDE (or text editor for that matter) well. People don't want to spend time understanding, appreciating and learning the tool they use, and call them useless...
- layer8 2y ago
  That's funny, because I have little patience with having to spend time finding out how to coax the AI into doing what I effing want, and much prefer the reliable and deterministic IDE features.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    It's funny and sad, and I'm on the same page with you. I use some tools close to two decades and can do things people can't fathom in no time, for a very long time. I don't bend the tool, even. It's what it's designed to do.

bayindirh 2y ago

AI is just a weighted graph which stands on shoulders of a million giants. However, it can't cite, can't fact check, doesn't know when it's hallucinating, and its creators doesn't respect any of the work which they need to feed to that graph to make it to fake its all knowledgeable accent. Tech is useful, how it's built is very unethical, and how it's worshiped is sad.

jaoane 2y ago
I think you are a bit outdated, since state of the art AIs can cite and fact check just fine.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Give them tools, maybe, but "The network" can't do it natively. They doesn't have an understanding, can't filter out "ad absurdum". Plus they can only go so deep. Maybe they can hit snopes and check something, but I don't believe current ones even with tools do detailed cross examination with open ended research and stop when they are convinced that they have enough data.
  - jaoane 2y ago
    That's like saying that humans can't tighten screws because they need screwdrivers.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      Nope. This is akin having no long term memory and don't able to tell when and where you learnt that water boils at 100 degrees C first, and it in fact burns very badly.
- deleted 2y ago
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danielbln 2y ago
Modern LLM offerings can use tools, including search, and that (like most good RAG) enables citation and fact checking. If you use LLMs like it's late 2022 and you just opened ChatGPT, then that's not indicative on how you should be using LLMs today.

codechicago277 2y ago

This is true. Just like a crappy consultant, AI lets you offload the repetitive, monotonous work so that you can focus your time on the big architectural problems. Of course you can write a better function if you spend a lot of time on it, but there’s magic in just letting the AI write the off the shelf version and move on.

skydhash 2y ago
Where are these repetitive, monotonous work so I can se send a job application there. Even on a greenfield project, I rarely spend more than a day setting up the scaffolding and that’s for something I’ve not touched before. And for refactoring and tests, this is where Vim/Emacs comes in.
- cess11 2y ago
  Many people doing code for money never or only rarely used any form of code generation until it was given to them as a SaaS in exchange for copies of the code they work on. I've been surprised by this for a long time, having seen coworkers spend days typing in things manually that they could have put there with IDE capabilities, search-replace, find -exec or a five minute script.
- echelon 2y ago
  > And for refactoring and tests, this is where Vim/Emacs comes in. I've used Vim bindings and strongly typed languages with IDEs that have strong AST-based refactoring my entire career. Nothing comes close to changing one condition of a test and having the AI autocomplete magically suggest the correct series of ten updates that fix the test. In under the blink of an eye, too. Everything is truly changing in big ways.
  - skydhash 2y ago
    > Nothing comes close to changing one condition of a test and having the AI autocomplete magically suggest the correct series of ten updates that fix the test. In under the blink of an eye, too. But why are you doing this? Granted, you may have a longer career than I do, but I never once think: The test condition is wrong, let's update it. Oh, I wish I could update the code alongside it!.

tim333 2y ago

Google sees that and is trying to incorporate AI.

echelon 2y ago
They have to defend 100% of it to just stay in place.

player1234 1y ago

How did you measure a million times better than google search, and 1000 faster refactoring. Can you please share your bench marks and methodology?