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> If you call your granny via whatsapp Remember flight MH370? The industry doesn't want obviously good solutions if it costs more than $1 per passenger. There

by Hilift 1y ago

> If you call your granny via whatsapp Remember flight MH370? The industry doesn't want obviously good solutions if it costs more than $1 per passenger. There is room to automate part of this, and have ATC and pilot human oversight with manual contingencies. But no one is going to pay for it, not through normal or usual and customary processes. Most of the major US stakeholders (airlines) are poor.

jillesvangurp 1y ago
I remember lots of accidents where there was miscommunication, task saturated pilots making mistakes, etc. That's not an excuse to sit on our hands and decide that aviation safety peaked decades ago and that there's no need to modernize. Also, this is bigger than the US. Aviation is a world wide business. I don't think the Chinese are looking at the FAA for learning how to make drones that they produce interface with Chinese ATC. This might be a case where the US will follow instead of lead.
- yetihehe 1y ago
  > don't think the Chinese are looking at the FAA for learning how to make drones that they produce interface with Chinese ATC. This might be a case where the US will follow instead of lead. The Chinese use systems bought from European companies, made to the same standards as used in EU. I'm working on one of such systems.
numpad0 1y ago
If they cared about cost at all, they'd be serving pre-brewed coffee and tea. The aviation standard issue coffee machines are incredibly old, wasteful, and stupid. It works so it stays. The reason why aviation isn't accepting new tech, I think, is because tech industry, especially Web, hasn't earned enough trust with real-time high trust systems. The computer used in the Apollo 11 lander had BSoD multiple times and still landed men on the Moon and back. You can buy a car on virtual credit cards from an iPhone, or view charts and maps for pilots on an iPad, but you can't call airport tower on Discord and ask for landing clearance - I think that's the threshold line up to which aviators trust Web-related techs. By the way, Armed Forces of Ukraine do use Discord for coordinating military operations and requesting artillery barrages. Risks of using untrustworthy technology far outweigh costs of not using it, to them. Maybe there are some clues there?
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > Risks of using untrustworthy technology far outweigh costs of not using it, to them. Maybe there are some clues there? I hope your clue is not to start a global war to change the baseline for safety and make FAA stop being so anal about certification and allow new coffee machines
- ericpauley 1y ago
  Related: United serves instant decaf on most flights and it’s glorious. I too wish they did all coffee as instant, especially with how good some instant is now.

by Hilift 1y ago

jillesvangurp 1y ago

I remember lots of accidents where there was miscommunication, task saturated pilots making mistakes, etc. That's not an excuse to sit on our hands and decide that aviation safety peaked decades ago and that there's no need to modernize. Also, this is bigger than the US. Aviation is a world wide business. I don't think the Chinese are looking at the FAA for learning how to make drones that they produce interface with Chinese ATC. This might be a case where the US will follow instead of lead.

yetihehe 1y ago
> don't think the Chinese are looking at the FAA for learning how to make drones that they produce interface with Chinese ATC. This might be a case where the US will follow instead of lead. The Chinese use systems bought from European companies, made to the same standards as used in EU. I'm working on one of such systems.

numpad0 1y ago

If they cared about cost at all, they'd be serving pre-brewed coffee and tea. The aviation standard issue coffee machines are incredibly old, wasteful, and stupid. It works so it stays. The reason why aviation isn't accepting new tech, I think, is because tech industry, especially Web, hasn't earned enough trust with real-time high trust systems. The computer used in the Apollo 11 lander had BSoD multiple times and still landed men on the Moon and back. You can buy a car on virtual credit cards from an iPhone, or view charts and maps for pilots on an iPad, but you can't call airport tower on Discord and ask for landing clearance - I think that's the threshold line up to which aviators trust Web-related techs. By the way, Armed Forces of Ukraine do use Discord for coordinating military operations and requesting artillery barrages. Risks of using untrustworthy technology far outweigh costs of not using it, to them. Maybe there are some clues there?

throwaway290 1y ago
> Risks of using untrustworthy technology far outweigh costs of not using it, to them. Maybe there are some clues there? I hope your clue is not to start a global war to change the baseline for safety and make FAA stop being so anal about certification and allow new coffee machines
ericpauley 1y ago
Related: United serves instant decaf on most flights and it’s glorious. I too wish they did all coffee as instant, especially with how good some instant is now.