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Demand being lower at night implies it makes sense to demand solar production at night?

by watwut 2y ago

firesteelrain 2y ago
No, it is is because Texas is adding redundancy requirements. Full investment in solar is dangerous - just look at Spain and Portugal recently. Texas has a duty to provide reliable power to its customers.
- piva00 2y ago
  I will basically copy-paste my other reply[0] to you because you are spreading a narrative that is potentially wrong (and at the very least quite misleading): There has been no conclusive post mortem, the issue is still under investigation[1], this is a blog post by a tech company, not an authoritative agency with findings, basically speculation being used as a marketing article... This article[2] also calls out the rumor mill about renewables being a cause: > Political groups such as the far-right VOX – which has historically pushed back against climate action such as the expansion of renewables – also pointed to the blackout as evidence of “the importance of a balanced energy mix”. > However, others rejected this suggestion, with EU energy chief Dan Jørgensen telling Bloomberg that the blackout could not be pinned on a “specific source of energy”: > “As far as we know, there was nothing unusual about the sources of energy supplying electricity to the system yesterday. So the causes of the blackout cannot be reduced to a specific source of energy, for instance renewables.” > Others have sought to highlight that, while it was possible solar power was involved in the initial frequency event, this does not mean that it was ultimately the cause of the blackout. It's all inconclusive and the narrative that solar is the culprit is being pushed by anti-renewables, let's wait until there's an official conclusion to the investigation instead of peddling bullshit. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43970583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43970583 [1] https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2025/05/01/iberian-black-out-entso-e-congratulates-red-electrica-and-ren-for-the-rapid-recovery-of-the-electricity-systems-of-portugal-and-spain-and-establishes-an-expert-panel-to-investigate-the-incident/ https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2025/05/01/iberian-black-out-ents... [2] https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-what-we-do-and-do-not-know-about-the-blackout-in-spain-and-portugal/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-what-we-do-and-do-not-know-ab...
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- watwut 2y ago
  You people will twist themselves into pretzels to protect just about anything if it comes from conservatives, isnt it?
  - firesteelrain 2y ago
    I am looking at this from a logical perspective. It has nothing to do with conservatism.
- renox 2y ago
  > just look at Spain and Portugal recently Uh, the cause of the issue has not been identified.
Arnt 2y ago
That's not what Texas demands. Rather, it demands being able to produce above average at night, which is far above what the usage patterns require.

Demand being lower at night implies it makes sense to demand solar production at night?

by watwut 2y ago

Demand being lower at night implies it makes sense to demand solar production at night?

No, it is is because Texas is adding redundancy requirements. Full investment in solar is dangerous - just look at Spain and Portugal recently. Texas has a duty to provide reliable power to its customers.

piva00 2y ago
I will basically copy-paste my other reply[0] to you because you are spreading a narrative that is potentially wrong (and at the very least quite misleading): There has been no conclusive post mortem, the issue is still under investigation[1], this is a blog post by a tech company, not an authoritative agency with findings, basically speculation being used as a marketing article... This article[2] also calls out the rumor mill about renewables being a cause: > Political groups such as the far-right VOX – which has historically pushed back against climate action such as the expansion of renewables – also pointed to the blackout as evidence of “the importance of a balanced energy mix”. > However, others rejected this suggestion, with EU energy chief Dan Jørgensen telling Bloomberg that the blackout could not be pinned on a “specific source of energy”: > “As far as we know, there was nothing unusual about the sources of energy supplying electricity to the system yesterday. So the causes of the blackout cannot be reduced to a specific source of energy, for instance renewables.” > Others have sought to highlight that, while it was possible solar power was involved in the initial frequency event, this does not mean that it was ultimately the cause of the blackout. It's all inconclusive and the narrative that solar is the culprit is being pushed by anti-renewables, let's wait until there's an official conclusion to the investigation instead of peddling bullshit. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43970583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43970583 [1] https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2025/05/01/iberian-black-out-entso-e-congratulates-red-electrica-and-ren-for-the-rapid-recovery-of-the-electricity-systems-of-portugal-and-spain-and-establishes-an-expert-panel-to-investigate-the-incident/ https://www.entsoe.eu/news/2025/05/01/iberian-black-out-ents... [2] https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-what-we-do-and-do-not-know-about-the-blackout-in-spain-and-portugal/ https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-what-we-do-and-do-not-know-ab...
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watwut 2y ago
You people will twist themselves into pretzels to protect just about anything if it comes from conservatives, isnt it?
- firesteelrain 2y ago
  I am looking at this from a logical perspective. It has nothing to do with conservatism.
renox 2y ago
> just look at Spain and Portugal recently Uh, the cause of the issue has not been identified.

Arnt 2y ago

That's not what Texas demands. Rather, it demands being able to produce above average at night, which is far above what the usage patterns require.