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>However, we also need to improve the driving skills of the young and elderly. In the US, at least, an 80-year-old driver is safer than a 21-year-old. Additio

>However, we also need to improve the driving skills of the young and elderly. In the US, at least, an 80-year-old driver is safer than a 21-year-old. Additionally, the least safe group of female drivers, females aged 15-20, is only marginally more likely to be operating a motor vehicle that causes a fatal crash (25.5 per 100k licensed drivers for teenaged girls) than the safest male cohort (23.8 for males aged 65-74). The gender gap is not even close. Males aged 15-20 are 60.3, my cohort is in the mid-30s, and retiree males are in the mid-20s. Female retirees are 7.5, geriatrics 10.1. All other age groups are in the mid-teens. It doesn't matter how you massage the data. Driving for work vs. not, crashes per hours driven, crashes per number of licensed drivers by gender, crashes per 100 million miles driven, highway vs. surface street, at all times in every instance women cause fewer single vehicle, multi-vehicle, pedestrian-involved, injurious, and fatal, crashes. Crashes involving a female driver are also less likely to have passenger fatalities, due to the greater likelihood that all passengers will be wearing their seatbelts. Females are less likely (by a LOT) to drive intoxicated, less likely to drive distracted, and are less likely to speed. Actuaries working for insurance firms and rental car bean counters have known this irrefutable and unquestionable truth for at least 30 years. Whenever I suggest that males receive additional training and oversight until their crash rates fall to those of the typical 16-year-old girl, people get irate. edit: I can't find the numbers but it is fact that CDLs (commercial driver's licenses) both lower and level the statistics so training and oversight is almost certainly the answer.

olyjohn 1y ago
CDLs also will lose their jobs or careers if they get infractions or accidents.
bradlys 1y ago
These numbers don’t really account for the fact that the “official” suicide is 4x the rate of women. Men do more dangerous things but they also just kill themselves in many different ways that don’t get depicted accurately in the stats.
- watwut 1y ago
  These are generally not suicides and suicides are not all that relevant. There is nothing inaccurate about these statistics. Statistically speaking, women drive better.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Women just partake in less risky behavior, period. One fun example of this is gay bars versus lesbian bars. Lesbian bars are exceedingly rare. Some previous owners have talked about it, but it boils down to: 1. Women don't have the same rate of alcoholism as men. Gay bars are fueled in large part due to men's substance abuse issues combined with higher rates of substance abuse in gay men. 2. Women don't seek sex with people they barely know like men do, and particularly gay men. Well, there goes the allure of the lesbian bar. Women die less, drink less, smoke less, do crime less, everything.
    - watwut 1y ago
      How does that contradicts anything? Even if it was only factor that makes women better drivers, they would still be better drivers. And it would make sense to put more effort into teaching men better. Women making more rational decisions about alcohol, being less impulsive in emotional situations might be other factors ... but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do. All those are influenced by culture and societal expections. Ration of women vs men drinking/smaking changes with time and culture. That being said, 100% of women die, just like 100% of men die.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        > How does that contradicts anything? It doesn't, I never said it does. In fact I'm just adding on, not arguing. > but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do. Yeah I agree that will definitely help. > Ration of women vs men drinking/smoking changes with time and culture. Somewhat, but I don't believe there was ever a time where women were ahead of men. I think pretty much for all of human history, on the topic of "stuff that can kill you" men take the lead. With the exception being pregnancy, but that's pretty self explanatory. I think there has to be some hormonal component to this. It seems testosterone is not so good for addictions or impulse control. I don't have any evidence, although maybe some exists. It just seems... more than cultural if this has been a problem for as long as human history has existed.
sotix 1y ago
Interesting insight. Do you have a source I could read more about the statistics here?

olyjohn 1y ago

CDLs also will lose their jobs or careers if they get infractions or accidents.

bradlys 1y ago

These numbers don’t really account for the fact that the “official” suicide is 4x the rate of women. Men do more dangerous things but they also just kill themselves in many different ways that don’t get depicted accurately in the stats.

watwut 1y ago
These are generally not suicides and suicides are not all that relevant. There is nothing inaccurate about these statistics. Statistically speaking, women drive better.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Women just partake in less risky behavior, period. One fun example of this is gay bars versus lesbian bars. Lesbian bars are exceedingly rare. Some previous owners have talked about it, but it boils down to: 1. Women don't have the same rate of alcoholism as men. Gay bars are fueled in large part due to men's substance abuse issues combined with higher rates of substance abuse in gay men. 2. Women don't seek sex with people they barely know like men do, and particularly gay men. Well, there goes the allure of the lesbian bar. Women die less, drink less, smoke less, do crime less, everything.
  - watwut 1y ago
    How does that contradicts anything? Even if it was only factor that makes women better drivers, they would still be better drivers. And it would make sense to put more effort into teaching men better. Women making more rational decisions about alcohol, being less impulsive in emotional situations might be other factors ... but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do. All those are influenced by culture and societal expections. Ration of women vs men drinking/smaking changes with time and culture. That being said, 100% of women die, just like 100% of men die.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      > How does that contradicts anything? It doesn't, I never said it does. In fact I'm just adding on, not arguing. > but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do. Yeah I agree that will definitely help. > Ration of women vs men drinking/smoking changes with time and culture. Somewhat, but I don't believe there was ever a time where women were ahead of men. I think pretty much for all of human history, on the topic of "stuff that can kill you" men take the lead. With the exception being pregnancy, but that's pretty self explanatory. I think there has to be some hormonal component to this. It seems testosterone is not so good for addictions or impulse control. I don't have any evidence, although maybe some exists. It just seems... more than cultural if this has been a problem for as long as human history has existed.

sotix 1y ago

Interesting insight. Do you have a source I could read more about the statistics here?