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> The real issues are No, no, no. You've simply listed another layer of symptoms. What about the root causes of your list of symptoms? The breakdown of family

> The real issues are No, no, no. You've simply listed another layer of symptoms. What about the root causes of your list of symptoms? The breakdown of family units. The rise of mental illness and addictions, intractable for in-family caregivers. The aging of America, declining fertility rates and general hostility to childbearing. Rising student debts from college and underemployment. Enforcement of suburban living, long commutes, "car culture" when few can actually afford cars. Feminism forcing women into every workplace, whether they want it or not, displacing men and driving down the overall household income. We could dig further into this, but your central thesis is exactly correct: homelessness is a symptom, and we cannot attack the symptom by rounding up the homeless and insisting that they need homes. Or can we?

mullingitover 1y ago
> Feminism forcing women into every workplace, whether they want it or not I did not expect the serious discussion about homelessness to devolve into a hilarious claim that it's because the women yearn for the kitchens. Thanks for lightening things up!
- AStonesThrow 1y ago
  I don't know about yearning, but if the balance has shifted in recent decades, we all need to think about the ramifications of women being forced into the workplace. - More men fending for themselves without a wife or homemaker to prepare meals, clean, shop, care for children at home. Are boys being prepared for this adult reality? - More women needing to stand on their own two feet, rather than relying on a male protector, breadwinner, supporter at home. Must a woman also fend for herself in the workplace, while she's cooking, cleaning, and raising children at home? That seems inhuman to me. - In the face of rising addictions and mental illness, divorce is an easy-out and welfare is your safety net, rather than family. So an abused, divorced woman imperils herself and may wind up on the streets. Any man who can't hold down a job and a household is likewise imperiled. At least he doesn't need to worry about child care? - If women do not yearn for the kitchens then men are certainly displaced from careers and jobs that were once available to them. Can you imagine unemployment literally doubling? If you go from zero women needing to work, to all women needing to work, does this not affect men's status? Must we send women into combat, into coal mines, and onto oil rigs?
  - mullingitover 1y ago
    So many hilarious defenses of the patriarchy here, I'll just pick one: > More men fending for themselves without a wife or homemaker to prepare meals, clean, shop, care for children at home. Are boys being prepared for this adult reality? Men are not entitled to a domestic slave, lmao. It's sad that boys would be coddled to the point that the can't perform basic adult tasks. I was raised in a pretty conservative household and I was cooking, cleaning, shopping, looking after younger kids. This is basic human core competency stuff. Pathetic to put forward a claim that these things the job of one gender.
    - taylodl 1y ago
      This is why I say Women's Lib failed. Traditional "female" work is no more valued today than it was 60 years ago. Women are only valued when they perform traditional "male" roles. Men are looked down upon when they perform "female" work. When we realize that the work traditionally done by females is every bit as valuable, if not even more so, then the work traditionally done by males, then maybe we'll have advanced. But I won't hold my breath waiting.
  - yongjik 1y ago
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mullingitover 1y ago

> Feminism forcing women into every workplace, whether they want it or not I did not expect the serious discussion about homelessness to devolve into a hilarious claim that it's because the women yearn for the kitchens. Thanks for lightening things up!

AStonesThrow 1y ago
I don't know about yearning, but if the balance has shifted in recent decades, we all need to think about the ramifications of women being forced into the workplace. - More men fending for themselves without a wife or homemaker to prepare meals, clean, shop, care for children at home. Are boys being prepared for this adult reality? - More women needing to stand on their own two feet, rather than relying on a male protector, breadwinner, supporter at home. Must a woman also fend for herself in the workplace, while she's cooking, cleaning, and raising children at home? That seems inhuman to me. - In the face of rising addictions and mental illness, divorce is an easy-out and welfare is your safety net, rather than family. So an abused, divorced woman imperils herself and may wind up on the streets. Any man who can't hold down a job and a household is likewise imperiled. At least he doesn't need to worry about child care? - If women do not yearn for the kitchens then men are certainly displaced from careers and jobs that were once available to them. Can you imagine unemployment literally doubling? If you go from zero women needing to work, to all women needing to work, does this not affect men's status? Must we send women into combat, into coal mines, and onto oil rigs?
- mullingitover 1y ago
  So many hilarious defenses of the patriarchy here, I'll just pick one: > More men fending for themselves without a wife or homemaker to prepare meals, clean, shop, care for children at home. Are boys being prepared for this adult reality? Men are not entitled to a domestic slave, lmao. It's sad that boys would be coddled to the point that the can't perform basic adult tasks. I was raised in a pretty conservative household and I was cooking, cleaning, shopping, looking after younger kids. This is basic human core competency stuff. Pathetic to put forward a claim that these things the job of one gender.
  - taylodl 1y ago
    This is why I say Women's Lib failed. Traditional "female" work is no more valued today than it was 60 years ago. Women are only valued when they perform traditional "male" roles. Men are looked down upon when they perform "female" work. When we realize that the work traditionally done by females is every bit as valuable, if not even more so, then the work traditionally done by males, then maybe we'll have advanced. But I won't hold my breath waiting.
- yongjik 1y ago
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