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Programming should require a gouvernment-emited license reserved to alumni of duly certified schools. Possession of a turing-complete compiler of interpreter wi

by ghssds 1y ago

Programming should require a gouvernment-emited license reserved to alumni of duly certified schools. Possession of a turing-complete compiler of interpreter without permission should be a felony.

yamazakiwi 1y ago
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- pixl97 1y ago
  While previous is an over reactions, the wild west free for all we have is also a problem. At the end of the day the masses will finally get tired of the fuckery of programmers doing whatever they want and start putting laws in place, and the laws will be passed by the stupidest people among us. Programmers now should start looking into standards of professional behaviors before they are forced on them by law.
  - yamazakiwi 1y ago
    The problem isn't that anyone has access to programming, it's that corporate incentives prioritize profit over quality, security, and ethics. And sure, if your follow-up is "that won’t change," I get it, but that doesn’t mean the open nature of programming is the problem. >At the end of the day the masses will finally get tired of the fuckery of programmers doing whatever they want and start putting laws in place, and the laws will be passed by the stupidest people among us. I agree laws will pass eventually but it won't start from the people. They rarely even think or hear about software security as something other than an amorphous boogie man, and there are no repercussions so any voices are easily forgotten. Eventually, it will be some big tech corp executive or politician moving into government convincing them to create a security auditing authority to extract money from these companies and/or shut them down. I'm sure we can find some holier than thou types to fill chairs with security auditors for the new "SSC" once it's greenlit.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  We could probably stand to stop treating software engineering like some holy calling for geniuses only and start treating it for what it is: a skilled trade that can be regulated and accredited like all the rest of them. It's really not a wild idea and it wouldn't stop kids (or anyone, really) from learning on their own. My parents taught me how to use tools as a kid and I learned how to fix my own toilet, but I didn't decide that made me qualified to go start plumbing professionally without apprenticing first.
  - yamazakiwi 1y ago
    I completely agree! Thank you for this
motorest 1y ago
> Programming should require a gouvernment-emited license reserved to alumni of duly certified schools. Nonsese. I've met PhDs in computer science that were easily out-performed by kids fresh out of coding bootcaps. Do you think that spending 5 years doing a few written exampls makes you competent at cyber security? Absurd.
- dyslexit 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure the comment was sarcastic. The grandparent comment was so over the top with its moral outrage that sarcasm feels like about the only appropriate response.
  - yamazakiwi 1y ago
    I am now realizing that it was most likely sarcastic after reading your comment and am now wondering how I didn't take the extreme speech as obvious sarcasm before. Should've know when they said interpreters and compilers. Incidentally I replied with sarcasm to theirs as well so it all works out.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
  - motorest 1y ago
    > I'm pretty sure the comment was sarcastic. I can't tell because I've seen the same exact argument being made with a straight face in other discussions.

by ghssds 1y ago

Programming should require a gouvernment-emited license reserved to alumni of duly certified schools. Possession of a turing-complete compiler of interpreter without permission should be a felony.

yamazakiwi 1y ago

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pixl97 1y ago
While previous is an over reactions, the wild west free for all we have is also a problem. At the end of the day the masses will finally get tired of the fuckery of programmers doing whatever they want and start putting laws in place, and the laws will be passed by the stupidest people among us. Programmers now should start looking into standards of professional behaviors before they are forced on them by law.
- yamazakiwi 1y ago
  The problem isn't that anyone has access to programming, it's that corporate incentives prioritize profit over quality, security, and ethics. And sure, if your follow-up is "that won’t change," I get it, but that doesn’t mean the open nature of programming is the problem. >At the end of the day the masses will finally get tired of the fuckery of programmers doing whatever they want and start putting laws in place, and the laws will be passed by the stupidest people among us. I agree laws will pass eventually but it won't start from the people. They rarely even think or hear about software security as something other than an amorphous boogie man, and there are no repercussions so any voices are easily forgotten. Eventually, it will be some big tech corp executive or politician moving into government convincing them to create a security auditing authority to extract money from these companies and/or shut them down. I'm sure we can find some holier than thou types to fill chairs with security auditors for the new "SSC" once it's greenlit.
GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
We could probably stand to stop treating software engineering like some holy calling for geniuses only and start treating it for what it is: a skilled trade that can be regulated and accredited like all the rest of them. It's really not a wild idea and it wouldn't stop kids (or anyone, really) from learning on their own. My parents taught me how to use tools as a kid and I learned how to fix my own toilet, but I didn't decide that made me qualified to go start plumbing professionally without apprenticing first.
- yamazakiwi 1y ago
  I completely agree! Thank you for this

motorest 1y ago

> Programming should require a gouvernment-emited license reserved to alumni of duly certified schools. Nonsese. I've met PhDs in computer science that were easily out-performed by kids fresh out of coding bootcaps. Do you think that spending 5 years doing a few written exampls makes you competent at cyber security? Absurd.

dyslexit 1y ago
I'm pretty sure the comment was sarcastic. The grandparent comment was so over the top with its moral outrage that sarcasm feels like about the only appropriate response.
- yamazakiwi 1y ago
  I am now realizing that it was most likely sarcastic after reading your comment and am now wondering how I didn't take the extreme speech as obvious sarcasm before. Should've know when they said interpreters and compilers. Incidentally I replied with sarcasm to theirs as well so it all works out.
- mlrtime 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- motorest 1y ago
  > I'm pretty sure the comment was sarcastic. I can't tell because I've seen the same exact argument being made with a straight face in other discussions.