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One of my favorite Wikipedia pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

lattalayta 1y ago
In video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA
- tarsius 1y ago
  For dramatic effect, my monitor turned off right after "By this point, distant galaxies and starts are receding so fast that their light has become undetectable."
- rwoerz 1y ago
  My favourite sleep aid video.
- alexey-salmin 1y ago
  There's also this lovely musical video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw The "no more strength, no way out" part kills me every time I watch it.
- butlike 1y ago
  Seems like unproven mumbo jumbo after about the halfway point
VagabundoP 1y ago
Here's my favorite youtube version of this: https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
thih9 1y ago
> in 10k years (…) the average length of a solar day will be 1⁄30 of an SI second longer than it is today. Looks like a new test case scenario for libraries that handle time/date.
- Timon3 1y ago
  Am I misreading something, or isn't that already in 1,000 years?
  - thih9 1y ago
    You are correct, I made a typo in the grandparent comment - it should have been 1k years. Unfortunately I can no longer edit.
- timewizard 1y ago
  Insertion of a leap second every month.
- AnotherGoodName 1y ago
  Well at least the datetime library would be a perfectly reasonable place to handle leap seconds. The place that outputs the timestamp to a human readable format wouldn’t at all be that hard pressed to add a second when printing out the local time with timezone considered. It really wouldn’t add that much complexity. Could you imagine if anyone was stupid enough to think the right place to handle such a thing was the internal counter of seconds rather than the datetime library though? Ha! That’d be ridiculous right! Imagine all the bugs if someone put something that’s only relevant to local timezone time printing there! It’d cause so many unexpected bugs!
- Gibbon1 1y ago
  At 10^78 years we could use 512 bit time stamps and be safe from overflow and measure all the way down to Planck time.
- joquarky 1y ago
  Time is so /weird/ that I don't know how computers will ever wrangle it comprehensively. Just consider the weird but valid scenario in relativity where A can occur before B, B before C, and C before A. I'm not sure how you would wrangle something like that in a data format.
  - 1y ago
cozyman 1y ago
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slicktux 1y ago
Great wiki page! It even mentions Boltzmann Brains! “ This infinite future could allow for the occurrence of massively improbable events, such as the formation of Boltzmann brains.”
- platz 1y ago
  Boltzmann Brains usually mean something is wrong in your cosmology
  - pyb 1y ago
    But taking this the other way around : it's also interesting that some cosmologies are known to be incorrect, because they would enable alternative forms of consciousness.
  - ithkuil 1y ago
    Or with our philosophy around anthropic reasoning. Or both.
paulpauper 1y ago
So given these finding, that page will need to be overhauled a lot
burnt-resistor 1y ago
To survive beyond 1 Gy from now, life will need to move underground where the water is and hopefully much cooler than the eventual surface. Also, such life may/will become necessary to relocate to Mars, hopefully taking resources with them. (I don't say "us" because of likely dramatic evolution.)
- zmgsabst 1y ago
  1 Gy ago, life wasn’t multicellular. I don’t think we have the ability to meaningfully predict such scales.
- thombat 1y ago
  The only reason that the subsurface rock is cooler than magma is being able to conduct heat through to a cooler surface. When that surface becomes exterminatingly hot and remains so for a while the subsurface will be heating up too. Since the sun is estimated to remain a red giant for about one Gy it will become hotter than the surface.
- Timwi 1y ago
  At that scale of time, it's not implausible that we have the technology to relocate Earth itself by then (e.g. increase its orbit).
  - soulofmischief 1y ago
    Completely in line with our propensity for destabilizing harmonic systems in nature. Imagine we do that and all of the other planetary orbits degenerate or become dangerous.
evtothedev 1y ago
I feel like you could build an entire meditation practice around reading this article.
- azemetre 1y ago
  That or existential dread.
  - joquarky 1y ago
    I mitigate that by choosing to interpret it as a circle rather than a line.
NKosmatos 1y ago
It pairs well with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe
- zem 1y ago
  and with http://www.geoffreylandis.com/infinite.htp http://www.geoffreylandis.com/infinite.htp
grues-dinner 1y ago
If Reid Malenfant or Jim Bolder aren't involved, this isn't the deep time future I'm interested in.

lattalayta 1y ago

In video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA

tarsius 1y ago
For dramatic effect, my monitor turned off right after "By this point, distant galaxies and starts are receding so fast that their light has become undetectable."
rwoerz 1y ago
My favourite sleep aid video.
alexey-salmin 1y ago
There's also this lovely musical video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw The "no more strength, no way out" part kills me every time I watch it.
butlike 1y ago
Seems like unproven mumbo jumbo after about the halfway point

VagabundoP 1y ago

Here's my favorite youtube version of this: https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA

thih9 1y ago

> in 10k years (…) the average length of a solar day will be 1⁄30 of an SI second longer than it is today. Looks like a new test case scenario for libraries that handle time/date.

Timon3 1y ago
Am I misreading something, or isn't that already in 1,000 years?
- thih9 1y ago
  You are correct, I made a typo in the grandparent comment - it should have been 1k years. Unfortunately I can no longer edit.
timewizard 1y ago
Insertion of a leap second every month.
AnotherGoodName 1y ago
Well at least the datetime library would be a perfectly reasonable place to handle leap seconds. The place that outputs the timestamp to a human readable format wouldn’t at all be that hard pressed to add a second when printing out the local time with timezone considered. It really wouldn’t add that much complexity. Could you imagine if anyone was stupid enough to think the right place to handle such a thing was the internal counter of seconds rather than the datetime library though? Ha! That’d be ridiculous right! Imagine all the bugs if someone put something that’s only relevant to local timezone time printing there! It’d cause so many unexpected bugs!
Gibbon1 1y ago
At 10^78 years we could use 512 bit time stamps and be safe from overflow and measure all the way down to Planck time.
joquarky 1y ago
Time is so /weird/ that I don't know how computers will ever wrangle it comprehensively. Just consider the weird but valid scenario in relativity where A can occur before B, B before C, and C before A. I'm not sure how you would wrangle something like that in a data format.
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cozyman 1y ago

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slicktux 1y ago

Great wiki page! It even mentions Boltzmann Brains! “ This infinite future could allow for the occurrence of massively improbable events, such as the formation of Boltzmann brains.”

platz 1y ago
Boltzmann Brains usually mean something is wrong in your cosmology
- pyb 1y ago
  But taking this the other way around : it's also interesting that some cosmologies are known to be incorrect, because they would enable alternative forms of consciousness.
- ithkuil 1y ago
  Or with our philosophy around anthropic reasoning. Or both.

paulpauper 1y ago

So given these finding, that page will need to be overhauled a lot

burnt-resistor 1y ago

To survive beyond 1 Gy from now, life will need to move underground where the water is and hopefully much cooler than the eventual surface. Also, such life may/will become necessary to relocate to Mars, hopefully taking resources with them. (I don't say "us" because of likely dramatic evolution.)

zmgsabst 1y ago
1 Gy ago, life wasn’t multicellular. I don’t think we have the ability to meaningfully predict such scales.
thombat 1y ago
The only reason that the subsurface rock is cooler than magma is being able to conduct heat through to a cooler surface. When that surface becomes exterminatingly hot and remains so for a while the subsurface will be heating up too. Since the sun is estimated to remain a red giant for about one Gy it will become hotter than the surface.
Timwi 1y ago
At that scale of time, it's not implausible that we have the technology to relocate Earth itself by then (e.g. increase its orbit).
- soulofmischief 1y ago
  Completely in line with our propensity for destabilizing harmonic systems in nature. Imagine we do that and all of the other planetary orbits degenerate or become dangerous.

evtothedev 1y ago

I feel like you could build an entire meditation practice around reading this article.

azemetre 1y ago
That or existential dread.
- joquarky 1y ago
  I mitigate that by choosing to interpret it as a circle rather than a line.

NKosmatos 1y ago

It pairs well with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe

zem 1y ago
and with http://www.geoffreylandis.com/infinite.htp http://www.geoffreylandis.com/infinite.htp

grues-dinner 1y ago

If Reid Malenfant or Jim Bolder aren't involved, this isn't the deep time future I'm interested in.