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You need some mechanism in place to prevent any joe schmoe from spinning up FreeSteam and rehosting the whole thing.

by dmonitor 1y ago

pitaj 1y ago
There can be many incentives for people to use official sources: early access, easy updates, live events, etc
- Zambyte 1y ago
  "Early access" doesn't work in this context, but yes for the other means.
- dmonitor 1y ago
  There's no reason FreeSteam can't also do that, though. There's no copyright, so just have an extension of the steamapp that changes it to point to your server when downloading games / checking ownership. Piracy stops being a service issue when pirates are allowed to make nice services.
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zelphirkalt 1y ago
Just to challenge that idea: Why?
- dmonitor 1y ago
  People would use that service instead of Steam, publishers would add annoying DRM to mitigate lost sales, etc etc. The current illegality of the piracy website prevents them from offering a service as nice as Steam. It has to be a sketchy torrent hub that changes URLs every few months. If it was as easy as changing the url to freesteampowered.com or installing an extension inside the steam launcher, the whole "piracy is a service issue" argument loses all relevance. The industry would become unsustainable without DRM (which would be technically legal to crack, but also more incentivized to make harder to crack).
  - Zambyte 1y ago
    > publishers would add annoying DRM to mitigate lost sales, etc etc. People would just delete the malware (DRM) out of the source code that is no longer restricted by copyright. If your argument is that copyright is good because it discourages DRM, I think you have a very evidently weak argument.
    - dmonitor 1y ago
      Copyright does discourage DRM. Even the most egregious DRM these days can be bypassed with minimal effort and is mostly just a nuisance. Take away government enforcement of copyright and how profitable your digital product is will be directly tied to how advanced you are in the DRM arms race. Steam is the classic example of how this is effective. You compete with pirates by offering what they can't: a reliable, convenient service. DRM becomes more of a hindrance than a benefit in this situation. Allowing pirates to offer reliable convenient pirate websites that are "so easy a normie can do it" would be a disaster for all the creative industries. You would need to radically change the rest of society to prevent a total collapse of people making money off art.

You need some mechanism in place to prevent any joe schmoe from spinning up FreeSteam and rehosting the whole thing.

pitaj 1y ago

There can be many incentives for people to use official sources: early access, easy updates, live events, etc

Zambyte 1y ago
"Early access" doesn't work in this context, but yes for the other means.
dmonitor 1y ago
There's no reason FreeSteam can't also do that, though. There's no copyright, so just have an extension of the steamapp that changes it to point to your server when downloading games / checking ownership. Piracy stops being a service issue when pirates are allowed to make nice services.

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zelphirkalt 1y ago

Just to challenge that idea: Why?

dmonitor 1y ago
People would use that service instead of Steam, publishers would add annoying DRM to mitigate lost sales, etc etc. The current illegality of the piracy website prevents them from offering a service as nice as Steam. It has to be a sketchy torrent hub that changes URLs every few months. If it was as easy as changing the url to freesteampowered.com or installing an extension inside the steam launcher, the whole "piracy is a service issue" argument loses all relevance. The industry would become unsustainable without DRM (which would be technically legal to crack, but also more incentivized to make harder to crack).
- Zambyte 1y ago
  > publishers would add annoying DRM to mitigate lost sales, etc etc. People would just delete the malware (DRM) out of the source code that is no longer restricted by copyright. If your argument is that copyright is good because it discourages DRM, I think you have a very evidently weak argument.
  - dmonitor 1y ago
    Copyright does discourage DRM. Even the most egregious DRM these days can be bypassed with minimal effort and is mostly just a nuisance. Take away government enforcement of copyright and how profitable your digital product is will be directly tied to how advanced you are in the DRM arms race. Steam is the classic example of how this is effective. You compete with pirates by offering what they can't: a reliable, convenient service. DRM becomes more of a hindrance than a benefit in this situation. Allowing pirates to offer reliable convenient pirate websites that are "so easy a normie can do it" would be a disaster for all the creative industries. You would need to radically change the rest of society to prevent a total collapse of people making money off art.